I think it would only be fair to give Felix a full season first. I will say though Kevin Smith is the real deal.
I was just bull ting with those comparisons.
The only comparison between the two teams in the Lions favor is this one:
Calvin Johnson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roy E. Williams
Kitna >>>>>>>>> Stafford
You are wrong about the Johnson/Williams comparison.
You need to add a few more >>>>'s.
Right now..everyone>>>>>Stafford. The kid hasn't thrown an NFL pass yet. Its way too early for that.
Agreed, just messing around.
Oh and:
Quincy Carter >>>>> Detroit Lion
What I am saying is, If Barry didn't retire, he would have set the record too high for Emmitt to catch.
If Barry also played 15 seasons, we're talking about 21,000+ yards.
To me, in my mind, Barry is the all-time leading rusher.
As for championships, that's not an individual accomplishment. Emmitt was on the Cowboys, Barry was on the ty Lions. So throw those comparisons out the window.
As for TD's, more playoff games played. Barry's Lions sucked. Emmitt was going to the Super Bowls. More games played = more opportunities.
Secondly, Cowboys offense actually was amazing. Detroit's sucked ass. Their QB's were nobodies. Herman Moore? That's it? A high powered Cowboys offense gets you down the field a lot more than a ty Detroit Lions offense does. Better offense = more opportunities to score TD's.
Really, it's not even a debate. With the huge difference between the Cowboys and the Lions, and comparing the stats between the two players, it's amazing that Barry did what he did.
Barry really is the best back ever. It's a disgrace that he played for the Lions
Last edited by MiamiHeat; 05-13-2009 at 10:04 PM.
This is not accurate. How do we know what Barry would have produced if he continued to play? The Lions got worse as a team, Barry was getting older. How do we know if he would have hit a wall or not? We don't. It's a lot of what if's. Emmitt IS the career rushing leader. You may think that "Barry is the all-time leading rusher," however the history books would suggest otherwise. I'm not debating that Barry is one of the best NFL rushers, because he is. However, to speculate that if he had continued playing he would have set the bar to high is crazy. We don't even know if Barry could continue to play at the extreme level he played at.What I am saying is, If Barry didn't retire, he would have set the record too high for Emmitt to catch.
If Barry also played 15 seasons, we're talking about 21,000+ yards.
To me, in my mind, Barry is the all-time leading rusher.
emmitt would not have been the same player had he played on the Lions.
do the research. go watch replays of the Cowboys O-Line.
John Madden said it best himself :
"Those aren't holes, those are highways" when looking at the space that the Cowboys O-Line created for Emmitt to run in.
Unless he hyothetically blew out both his knees in week 1 of the first season if his theoretical non-retiring that you're hypothesizing about.
You say he would have set the record too high, I say he would have suffered a career ending injury. Neither hypothesis can be proven. So how about we go by what really did happen, mkay?
You're a Cowboys fan.
You're one of the dumbasses I was referring to earlier.
Cry me a river. Barry was a lot better than Emmitt. Look at the line he played for, give me a break.
Look at their college careers. Barry ran behind Thurman ing Thomas and still ended up the all-time leading college rusher.
Everyone knows Barry was going to shatter Payton's record
Last edited by MiamiHeat; 05-14-2009 at 02:24 AM.
Not even close.
mono's a closet Cowboy fan.
No doubt Emmitt had a better line, but part of the reason the line looked so good is because Emmitt had the vision to see holes before they opened up, and to have the patience to wait for them.
Barry had neither the discipline or the vision to play in Jimmy Johnson's system. He took lots of risks with the football, which would have been a huge problem. And sorry, but part of the reason the Lions O-line seemed so bad is BECAUSE OF BARRY. His wildass, "do what I want" style is what accounted for all the negative yardage plays. He took so many risks that put his team in 2nd & long and 3rd & long situations, which all teams have trouble converting, even the 90's Cowboys. So don't give me this bull about how Barry could have done better with a good line. He never gave his line a chance to block for him in the first place.
Physically, Barry was gifted in ways Emmitt didn't come close to. Barry could do things with the ball that no running back ever could, or possibly ever will do. But Emmitt had an intuition, feel for the game, and overall football IQ that Barry also didn't come close to matching.
They're equally great, end of story, stop with your ing stupidity.
As far as an NFC team goes, I'll root for the Cowboys yeah. But they're not my team.
Sanders > Smith
and mono please change that "Ghazi is a ". Mavs fan disunity is distasteful
The Lions still ing suck
They are a disgrace to professional sports. 10 years after barry retired, the Lions are still a pathetic sucking franchise.
Did they even win a game this past season? 0-16 right?
Pathetic. They ing ruined Sanders career and they wouldn't release him either.
In college, the ONLY season Sanders started (because he ran behind Thurman Thomas before), Barry won the Heisman and did the following :
Total: 2,628 (238.9 yds/game), 39 TD's
Wyoming (Bowl Game) 222
Overall season Total: 2,850, 44 TD's
Yeah. that's ing right. Look, Emmitt is a great player, but don't even try to debate this. Barry was better.
Look at Barry running in college.
He didn't have to lose any ing yards. He ran through the holes that were there
What happened to Barry in Detroit, was the following :
Barry got stuck in a ty franchise and they couldn't block. So Barry just took it upon himself to make something out of nothing, and it worked. Yeah, he lost 1000 yards for his career, but he gained over 15,000 yards in only 10 seasons, faster than any back in NFL history. and he did it with a ty team.
Barry with the Lions O-Line would have had 20,000 yards or more if he didn't retire at 31.
If you don't believe that, you're crazy. He already had 15,000+ with only 10 seasons played.
Last edited by MiamiHeat; 05-14-2009 at 05:00 AM.
BARRY SANDERS IS THE BIGGEST QUITTER IN FOOTBALL!!!!
HE COULDN'T HACK TO BE ON A LIONS TEAM THAT SUCKED SO HE TOOK THE EASY WAY OUT! BARRY HAD NO HEART!
>>>>>what a quitter and a sorrid RB to leave his team!
at least Emmitt Stuck around when the Cowboys sucked
No, he would have blown out both his knees in the 1st quarter of the 1st game of his unretirement. If you don't believe that you're crazy.
There's no way to prove that. Like monos said:Barry with the Lions O-Line would have had 20,000 yards or more if he didn't retire at 31.
If you don't believe that, you're crazy. He already had 15,000+ with only 10 seasons played.
You say he would have set the record too high, I say he would have suffered a career ending injury. Neither hypothesis can be proven. So how about we go by what really did happen, mkay?
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