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next year i heard they're putting a wheelchair ramp leading to our bench. you know for all the old timers.
“After recording just 82 dunks as a team in ‘07-08, the Spurs managed to drop that number even LOWER in ‘08-09. With a total of 73 slams, that translates to just .89 dunks per game AS A TEAM! To get an idea of how far below the mean that is, consider that 32 individual players had more total dunks this past season. One bright spot was rookie guard George Hill throwing it down 10 times in just 1,270 minutes, but it’s hard to get excited about the rest of this aging squad. Duncan had 19 fewer dunks, and the Spurs didn’t have a single player in the Top 120. After this year’s 1st round exit, I think it’s time for San Antonio to inject some youth and athleticism into their frontcourt. Oh Tiago Splitter, where art thou?”
http://www.rotoevil.com/nba/2008-2009-slam-dunk-stats
next year i heard they're putting a wheelchair ramp leading to our bench. you know for all the old timers.
For the love of the game its a shame we dont have really players who dunk. Sometimes I wish we had some player like lebron, giving some flair to the game. But its not so bad, we go secure, the points are what really matters in the end.
you mean lack off points. we can stop anybody, just cant put the ball in the hole.
Have you watched us play last season at all?
Danny....Great find!
Some crazy stats, I'm going to use (STEAL) this post for the show this morning.
I'll give credit in my show Works Cited. Probably around 7:30 ish
damn, 10 of them are from pops and hairston i bet.
Ever watched Tiago??? He looks like he has lead in his sneaks...The guy isn't very athletic at all. I'm not saying he's a bad player, just that he isn't a high riser. If you're putting hope in him to play above the rim,well, your hopes are misguided. Much of the videos I've seen of Tiago involve underhanded layups, in traffic no less. I'm sick and tired of flat-footed Euro/south Amer big men.(Are you listening Fabricio?)“After recording just 82 dunks as a team in ‘07-08, the Spurs managed to drop that number even LOWER in ‘08-09. With a total of 73 slams, that translates to just .89 dunks per game AS A TEAM! To get an idea of how far below the mean that is, consider that 32 individual players had more total dunks this past season. One bright spot was rookie guard George Hill throwing it down 10 times in just 1,270 minutes, but it’s hard to get excited about the rest of this aging squad. Duncan had 19 fewer dunks, and the Spurs didn’t have a single player in the Top 120. After this year’s 1st round exit, I think it’s time for San Antonio to inject some youth and athleticism into their frontcourt. Oh Tiago Splitter, where art thou?”
http://www.rotoevil.com/nba/2008-2009-slam-dunk-stats
Props for the killer stat though Danny. I completely agree that the spurs need another guy who can create his own shot AND play above the rim(besides Manu).
What I really want is for the Spurs to return to smothering, championship defense.
It's a shame!
But no surprise here, all in all spurs let the dunking machine in Rasho Nesterovic go.
Dunks in and of themselves are meaningless.
However, these aggregate numbers truly are a secondary indication of the bigger problem.
What I really want is for the Spurs to return to smothering, championship defense.
Dunks = fun, Defense = championships
Disagree...dunks are the highest PCT shots there are. Almost any other shot you take has less of a chance of going in, so if you don't have a team capable of dunking, you don't have a team capable of taking the highest PCT shots there are.
The rest of your statement about them being a secondary indication of other problems I ageee with.
Be my guest...
Which show do you do?
So then the team with the highest number of dunks is the most efficient offense? Probably not. However, I do think it is some indication of athleticism.
My point is that "most dunks" does not in and of itself translate to "best offense", or "winning championships". You could also argue that a block is the highest percentage defense, but "most blocks" != "best defense".
Most Dunks
1. Nuggets 520 (FTA: 1st)
2. Suns 470 (5th)
3. Sixers 453 (6th)
4. Lakers 438 (8th)
5. Blazers 435 (16th)
Fewest Dunks
1. Spurs 73
2. Pacers 167 (23rd)
3. Timberwolves 184 (19th)
4. Rockets 194 (21st)
5. Pistons 234 (27th)The
Not only the Spurs last, they're last by more than a factor of TWO. That's horrendous. That's probably a combination of lack of athleticism (especially of big men), and an offense which over the years has become far too reliant on the three-pointer (beating a 3-year old dead horse). The ranking in FTA just confirms it. They were also last in FTA by a huge margin, nearly 200, and no two other teams were separated in the ranks by even close to that amount.
Last edited by ShoogarBear; 05-14-2009 at 09:52 AM.
a team with bonner, mason, and parker starting every game wont get alot of dunks. Manu was out and he dunks alot. Mahinmi could probably have thrown down a few. Heck if Gooden never came, it'd be lower. Gooden dunked alot as a Spur in a short amount of time.
The highest PCT shots are the 'open floor' layups. But you need defense, rebound and transition game.
You could fail on a 'in your face' dunk but there is no way to fail on a 'open floor' layup.
I really don't understand how you can make that conclusion from my statement. That's not what I said, that's what you said. I said that a dunk is the highest PCT shot you can take, I said nothing about the team with the most dunks being the most efficient offense...the reason I didn't say that is because there are ton of other factors that can influence offensive efficiency outside of how many dunks a team has, not to mention the fact that offensive efficiency is formulated using more than just 2FG shooting stats.
Your conclusion, not mine. I stand by my comment that a dunk is the highest PCT shot you can take.
I'm still in shock that Matt Bonner started for an NBA team (something he didn't even do in Toronto). Even worse, he played center!
If they do that to my boy Timmy again, I'm gonna hurt someone.
Ahh...how stupid of me, I mean no one ever misses layups, whereas they can fall on their faces on dunks...how could I be so clueless.
How about 'open floor' dunks and 'in your face' layups then?
My point is that "most dunks" does not in and of itself translate to "best offense", or "winning championships". You could also argue that a block is the highest percentage defense, but "most blocks" != "best defense".
Most Dunks
1. Nuggets 520 (FTA: 1st)
2. Suns 470 (5th)
3. Sixers 453 (6th)
4. Lakers 438 (8th)
5. Blazers 435 (16th)
Fewest Dunks
1. Spurs 73
2. Pacers 167 (23rd)
3. Timberwolves 184 (19th)
4. Rockets 194 (21st)
5. Pistons 234 (27th)The
Not only the Spurs last, they're last by more than a factor of TWO. That's horrendous. That's probably a combination of lack of athleticism (especially of big men), and an offense which over the years has become far too reliant on the three-pointer (beating a 3-year old dead horse). The ranking in FTA just confirms it. They were also last in FTA by a huge margin, nearly 200, and no two other teams were separated in the ranks by even close to that amount.
The 3 point shots definitely aren't valuable when Duncan can't draw double teams, not that we really have guys that knock them down off Duncan doubles anyway...
If we don't have an inside player capable of drawing double teams we probably aren't going to be winning any more les any times soon unless we get a whole lot more shotblocking and rebounding to compensate for that loss of interior scoring.
Everything is relative...but as a general rule, the less distance between the shot and the rim, the better chance it has of going in, the less chance it has of being blocked, etc.
I can't believe this needs to be explained.
This is the sort of thing that makes me get rude.
Yes a player 5'3 is better off going for a layup then a dunk...that doesn't change the fact that a dunk is still a higher PCT shot then a layup just in terms of shots without player variables being taken into consideration...
It's really not that complicated.
All these years I was wondering what it would take.
If you have defense , rebound and transition game, then you have fast break points. No matter if you dunk or make a layup. You start with D to have an easy basket. Everything is defense. That's my point, but my english is real bad. I hope i make it clear now.
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