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Yoni responded in the other thread, but I don't think he bothered to read Soufan's statement. This version may be short enough for his notoriously short attention span.
source: Some left-wing moonbat blog that hates Freedom, coddles terrorists and what-not
Former FBI Agent: Torture Sucks. Don’t Do It.
Posted by Some hippie flake with no credibility or expertise in any facet of the War On Terrorism
The Senate Judiciary Committee hearings produced an ugly picture of the role torture played in interrogating Al Qaeda leaders. The testimony of former FBI agent Ali Soufan shows how traditional intelligence techniques worked on Abu Zubaydah and “enhanced” techniques did nothing to advance national security interests:
Immediately after Abu Zubaydah was captured, a fellow FBI agent and I were flown to meet him at an undisclosed location. We were both very familiar with Abu Zubaydah and have successfully interrogated al-Qaeda terrorists. We started interrogating him, supported by CIA officials who were stationed at the location, and within the first hour of the interrogation, using the Informed Interrogation Approach, we gained important actionable intelligence.
We were once again very successful and elicited information regarding the role of KSM as the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks, and lots of other information that remains classified. (It is important to remember that before this we had no idea of KSM’s role in 9/11 or his importance in the al Qaeda leadership structure.)
Soufan then recounts a tug-of-war between the interrogators and the contractors brought in to apply the third degree. The intelligence and law enforcement professionals struggled to reestablish rapport with Zubaydah after each iteration of harsh interrogation tactics.
The new techniques did not produce results as Abu Zubaydah shut down and stopped talking. At that time nudity and low-level sleep deprivation (between 24 and 48 hours) was being used. After a few days of getting no information, and after repeated inquiries from DC asking why all of sudden no information was being transmitted (when before there had been a steady stream), we again were given control of the interrogation.
We then returned to using the Informed Interrogation Approach. Within a few hours, Abu Zubaydah again started talking and gave us important actionable intelligence.
The enhanced interrogation techniques were not only inferior to traditional interrogation techniques, they proved counterproductive. The use of illegal techniques resurrected the “wall” between the CIA and the FBI with regard to these detainees. This prevented FBI experts who knew more about Al Qaeda than anyone else in the government from questioning them. Plus, as Soufan recounts, coercive techniques make detainees tell you what you want to hear, whether it is true or not. As Jesse Ventura says, “you give me a waterboard, Cheney, and one hour, and I’ll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders.”
Torture did not advance the work of picking apart Al Qaeda, it disrupted it.
Yoni responded in the other thread, but I don't think he bothered to read Soufan's statement. This version may be short enough for his notoriously short attention span.
release the memos.
how hard is it?
Bush and Cheney didn't while they had the chance. Maybe they had some good reason not to.
You're dense aren't you?
Cheney is full of crap. http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-a...-role-deepens/
Two senior U.S. intelligence officials at the time tell The Daily Beast that the suggestion to waterboard an Iraqi prisoner came from the Office of Vice President Cheney.
Someone needs to waterboard his penguin looking ass. I hate him.
Captain Picard said it -300 years ago... The more things change, the more they stay the same.
AHH! A wormhole!
"I'm bothered over Gitmo because it seems we've created our own Hanoi Hilton. And we can live with that?
It's a good thing I'm not president because I would prosecute every person that was involved in that torture,
I would prosecute the people that did it and the people that ordered it, because torture is against the law.
I was waterboarded at S.E.A.L. school. It is torture. It's drowning. It gives you the complete sensation
that you are drowning...I'll put it to you this way. You give me a waterboard, Cheney, and one hour
and I'll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders.""
-- Jesse Ventura, who often has moments of clarity ,
Well put.
do what you gotta do at gitmo...
Shut it down?do what you gotta do at gitmo...
where do you send the terrorists?
Max security prisons. It can be done.
We are already holding convicted terrorists on the mainland.
We've also had convicted Islamic terrorists imprisoned on the mainland for over 15 years.
Refresh my memory - did we waterboard Timothy McVeigh or Terry Nichols?
Last edited by PixelPusher; 05-15-2009 at 11:34 AM.
I noticed a trend the past few days. I was watching Hannity and this girl said " Everyone knows waterboarding is torure" She repeated it a few times. Of course Hannity said different. On Olberman he says "Everyone knows waterboarding is torture" said this 5-6 times in a few minutes. On CNN I heard some guy I don't know say "Everyone knows waterboarding is torture"
Fact is Everyone does not know waterboarding is torture and ALOT of people donot think waterboarding is torture. I certainly don't. I don't like this part of the media. Report waterboarding, give ur opinion but don't lie. Everyone does not know or think this is torture. Thats a lie when you make that statement.
The U.S. State Department has recognized "submersion of the head in water" as torture in other cir stances, for example, in its 2005 Country Report on Tunisia.
You can't say it's torture when another country does it and not torture when you do it.
It's torture, plain and simple.
Okay, no one will answer the fundamental question of whether or not the enhanced interrogation techniques were against any United States statute at the time they were employed.
Were they? And, if so, cite the statute please.
Otherwise, this is just a bunch of arguing over differences of opinion.
Ah, Yoni -- still completely ignorant of the common law justice system in use by the west for 800 years and the entirety of US history.
Hilarious.
Not answering the question. Under what statute would anybody involved in the enhanced interrogation techniques have been charged?
Tell me Yoni -- are written federal statues the only source of law in this country?
Yes or no.
I really think you don't know what a statute is.
I'm asking under what statute these alleged offenders would be charged. If you're accused of breaking the law, there has to be a law to break. What is it?
Just say you don't know if you don't know.
I'm asking if written federal statues the only source of law in this country.
Just say you don't know if you don't know.
My question was first.
If these people broke the law, which law did they break.
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