If fanboy loyalty and rose-colored sentimentality is our guide, maybe we should sign George Gervin.
Manu wasn't able to perform in 2 straight playoffs. To add insult to injury, this year's failure was compounded by Manu's " you, Spurs" decision to play in the Olympics.
All the fanboys can do is talk about what happened years ago. The dude is done, there's no more SuperManu or Big 3, it's time to move on. The time to cling to false hopes is over, we've done that the last 2 seasons. It's time to be ruthless and go forward.
Go where? You like to talk to move on, but you don't offer anything...
I'm not against moving Manu, I just don't think you can get equal value, nor I think it's the right time to do it.
But if you do think so, let's hear it. What top 30 NBA player would you trade for Manu that would give us what he gives us.
WTF is you people's problem with Manu playing in the Olympics? I don't see you all openly condemning Timmy and Tony for doing so. He wants to play for his country; what's wrong with that???
And how do you know that he's done? There is absolutely no indication of that. He was great this season and a game-changer when he was healthy. He is the Spurs' Mr. Clutch. He is the guy that gets the ball in the closing seconds, not Timmy or Tony.
Vince Carter would have been nice, and I agree with some of the earlier suggestions on this thread. The Spurs need to shop him for their needs - maybe they won't find a 1-to-1 trade deal for so-called "equal value" (what is Manu's value now as a injury prone player?), but perhaps there are multi-player package deals that would work.
Are you T-Park, Nono? If not, way to copy his material, i.e. "Name someone, name someone, yada yada."
Tony and Tim were not coming off injuries that prevented them from playing in the playoffs. Nothing wrong with playing for your country. However, it doesn't mean one is immune from the consequences. He'd already done the National team gig to the limit, Manu's decision to play in the Olympics was selfish and foolish.
That's the whole point, his trade value right now is way low, that's why you don't trade him right now. You wait to see how he recovers, and go from there. His value isn't getting any lower than right now.
no I'm not T-Park. And I'm not copying any material. I'm asking a serious question. Everybody want to trade Manu/Bonner/Oberto and rarely say for who. And when they do, they won't even tell you why the other team would do it, or wether salaries match.
Wishful thinking is easy. Actually coming up with a trade that works is a lot more complicated.
He recovered from his injury fine. He then played over 50% of the season and fractured his OTHER leg. Injuries happen. Get over it.
Yes he would but he wouldn't be another Ginobili to lead spurs bench,is he reliable?I don't think so.
If our trade target is Jr Smith, to be honest, I'd rather Ginobili stay.
There is still a chance hear that Manu comes back as good as ever. Meanwhile, the point is well made, why would anyone give us anything good for him? They would just try to rip us off and I don't see much upside.
[quote=Rodney21a;3397854]Hey I understand your passion.
But the player you used to know as Manu hasn't been around the last 2 years. So it not likely that this guy
excuse me ... he is the guy who got us through new Orleans last playoffs .. yes he was injured but he was productive .. he was nightmare for phx and hor .. and why are we only pointing at manu .. tim is also injured .. why not trade him(just for a thought) ...
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ginobili has had three injuries the past year. one during the 2008 playoffs, one during the summer olympics, one after returning from injury, and a fourth one if you count the season ending one. that's a lot and he's aging. can't be in denial here, ginobili will be a question mark the rest of his career. doesn't mean he can't stay uninjured but there definitely should be some concern here.
I bet Manu plays out of his mind next season, then gets a minor injury and misses 2 games around january, and all the haters showing up from their holes to tell us how they were right.
I think we need to shop Timmy then. His knee injury may be chronic, so we better trade him while his stock is still up! Maybe we can get the Birdman in return! Sounds like a good trade to me!
Manu is the heart and fire of this team. He plays with more heart than ANYONE. He stays!
Sorry buddy, but all your posts have been silly and I am thankful that you have no power within the Spurs organisation. Ginobili is simply one of a kind and I would not trade him for Tayshaun, JR or even someone like Jason Richardson. You can't say we now have Tony to close games for us because they are like incomparable when discussing a true closer. Behind LeBron, Kobe and Wade I think Ginobili would be the next best closer in the league simply because he is unguardable. His awkward steps through the lane will lead to either a layup or free throws where he is 88%, and would be something like 95% in the clutch. Or, if he wants, he can use his deadly outside shot or great passing to punish you. Remember the Phoenix double overtime game 1 in last years playoffs? He fired that pass off to Time for 3 and then in double overtime drove in for that game winning layup.
If we had Chris Anderson and JR Smith we would still be playing?? Now THAT is a joke. Chris Anderson has been in foul trouble this entire playoffs because he jumps at everything, he is not a good defender, just has athletic ability and likes to swing his arms a lot. Just cause you average a lot of blocks doesn't make you a good defender. Barely was on the court this series against the Mavs... Adding him and JR Smith (who I am a HUGE fan of) would not have taken us to the Western Conference Finals, thats just a silly statement. JR, while he is pretty damn good and shoot the out of it, is not anywhere near enough to replace Ginobili.
I hate it when people undervalue Ginobili, never thought I would hear a Spurs fan doing it...
What do you mean 'you people' ?? lol
Capt Bringdown's point about how this is different is valid. To tell him to 'get over it' would mean equality - you would have to 'get over' all of his past achievements with the Spurs. That is the truth about Ginobili: his style of play and his decision making are tied together to make up the #20 we know, or used to know.
I would put him on the block and entertain some offers. But if nothing comes around, then fine. Like ElNono said, his trade value is probably quite low.
Guys trading him now would be really stupid. No one is going to give up a valuable young player for manu who has been injured over and over again the last few years. You give him the whole off-season to get better and most likely he will come back as strong as he's been in a long time.
Absolutely no reason we shouldn't shop our other expiring contracts first and see if we can get anything that will help out. Manu's potential to come back healthy and have a few more reak good years is too much of a risk to give up for a lousy trade where we get crap back.
Ultimately, if when he comes back and plays healthy there is a significant slow down in his step, then we can look around. No matter what he'll still produce and people will be much more inclined to give up something if he can stay healthy for a while.
Oh and I saw some ridiculous trade options in here....manu for Tayshaun prince???!!!???? WTF....do you guys have any idea how he just played against the cavs in their series. Guy is not very good anymore, (personally i never thought he was, but that's another discussion)he is someone you get off a trade for expiring contracts like KT,Bonner, Bowen, etc.....NOT manu ginobili.
I can't believe anyone out here is wasting time and energy arguing with Ducks. It's been long do ented that Manu is his least favorite player in the NBA. Forget trading him for JR Smith. The Spurs could just outright release Manu and Ducks would be ecstatic. He HATES Manu and always has. Why does anyone bother trying to find reason or logic in any of his posts? He hates Manu, loves Tony and that's that.
All you need to know about Ducks is he wouldn't trade Tony for LeBron straight up. Even the most biased Manu fan would trade him for LeBron at this point.
Presumably you think you have made some point with this and the other attention-seeking, graphic-intensive posts you seem to be fond of. But mostly they serve to support the other point of view. Your point of view seems to be that trading Manu to get a late lottery pick would be a good long-term move for the Spurs.
And you use the Blaylock trade as your prime example. So the Hawks traded Blaylock to move up 11 spots in the draft. How'd that work out for them?
Before the trade, they made the playoffs for seven straight years with a minumum winning percentage of .524. After the trade, they missed the playoffs for eight straight years with a maximum winning percentage of .427. They went from being a perennial playoff team to being a perennial lottery team.
How exactly does this support your point of view?
See if you can come up with a response that does not involve video clips of the bodily functions of lower primates.
Dude, you're arguing with a 12 year old. I'm sure he hasn't even seen Mookie play.
Other than that I agree with you that the point he's trying to make works 100% against his ( if there is ) point of view.
Maybe his mommy will take away his internet privileges.
i hope manu will be there next year because when healthy he brings very useful and priceless things to this team. and this team is about the big three. it has worked better than anyone could hope and i don't see any reason to change it.
that being said, i find it very lame that some manu fans try to deny he's a very fragile player.
manu came in NBA when he was in his prime, at 25, and still he's only averaged +30 mpg only one season. i always remember his minutes being very cautiously managed by Pop and his health and stamina have been one of the most discussed topic in this board, as if he was made of glass.
but right now, i have the feeling and the faith he will have a great season. i don't see his pure basketball level declining very soon, supposing his heatlh won't betray him again.
to say the truth, and contrarily at the most common thought on this board, i'm more concerned about tim decline. i trust Tim to be a great 20-10 big man and a consistent presence, which is still very very rare in this league.
but lately, we've won with a super dominant Tim, a PO force. and i don't see this Tim anymore.
dam ducks dropped science on like 20 of yall
manu is finished. period
if you dont think so you must not watch many spurs games
did anyone see last years playoffs?, or this years playoffs?
its over, he had 3 good seasons, quit acting like hes ing kobe
he'll score 20 again next season and some chodes will start i told you so threads and say hes back, nevertheless he is washed up
Another candidate for RIF heard from
he could miss 79 games and we could be 3-0 with him and we're on a 82-0 pace, not how it works
you can be a basketball god but if your fragile x syndrom keeps you on the bench youre worthless
durability is a QUALITY for an nba player, like it or not manu is fragile
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