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Please tell. Who is this player that could have been added for a 'little more money" (and how much is a little?) that would have 'almost guaranteed' more championships (plural), perhaps approaching a total of ten?
Spurs fan since 1980..the day I was born..PROUD as of our 4 les.Hey as someone who was a fan pre-1999....I will take "just" 4.
Please tell. Who is this player that could have been added for a 'little more money" (and how much is a little?) that would have 'almost guaranteed' more championships (plural), perhaps approaching a total of ten?
I just hope that I am not around to live the day when the Mavs win one, as it is their fans think they have something on the Spurs. Imagine if the ever get one... It will be pure !!!
Noooooooooooope!!!
Red McCombs, Angelo Drossos, Peter Holt, et al (Spurs owners past & present), have been very smart with finances. Look at the various teams in all the Major League sports who have the biggest payroll and year after year they are at the bottom in wins.
Paying big bucks to some of the spoiled brats today will only buy you headaches and heartaches. Nobody has ever said the three Spurs owners I've mentioned above by name were not smart businessmen. They have made their money the hard way....they've earned it.
And if you don't believe me just ask fans of the Knicks and Mavs...what has the big spending brought them???? I rest my case!
The Spurs are coming back with a vengeance....and you can take that to the bank!
Last edited by SouthTexasRancher; 05-15-2009 at 07:13 PM.
Preseason? There was a large number of chicken littles who had written that team off up until the rodeo trip.
Sure they would. That's what most Mav fans do.The real tragedy is that if we Spurs fans could say, "Spurs have six rings to the Mavs zero," no Mavs fan would ever dare smack talk us ever again. But alas...
+1Been a diehard since D-Rob arrived, will be diehard till I, well, Die
Same thing for me.
The 4 rings the Spurs have are great memories for me. The fact that they've beaten some of the teams I've most despised over the years (Suns, "Jail" Blazers, Lakers, Dallas, Cleveland,) during those le runs makes it even sweeter.
Everybody already knows how I feel about this, I rant about fans that complain about this ..
4 ing les, the most of this decade..if you count the lockout season, which you obviously should, the Spurs have the LONGEST streak of consecutive 50-win seasons in NBA history..we've influenced the NBA much more than any other team, as you can see by the influence of drafting Parker and Ginobili, and by Pop's coaching tree..
the years the Spurs lost..the luckiest shot in NBA history in 0.4, Manu's unnecessary foul in 2006, Manu hurt and the Barry foul vs. LA..it's not like we weren't there..
you don't even have to look as far as the 90's..I still remember the early 2000s, where Duncan would be swarmed constantly, and nobody else on the team was able to make anything, especially the perimeter players..2003 was the beginning of history, now we have to hope that we can squeeze out another one or two as Timmy ages..
Give me a freaking break...we're in the middle of one of the worst recessions in the past 50 years at least, unemployment rate is climbing, homeowners are being foreclosed, the stock market has dropped +30% of its value in 18 months, the country is facing a projected budget deficit of 1.8 trillion dollars this year, with the the government borrowing $1 for every $2 it spends...
And some fans complain about one of the most fiscally responsible franchises in all of sports because of their fiscal discipline? This is the franchise that declined the credit line arranged by the league to help out troubled owners this year, a remarkable feat for any franchise in this era of big-money athletes, let alone a small market franchise...
Complaining that the Spurs don't have more championships (because having 4 is not great on its own, even though the Celtics (17), the Lakers (14), and the Bulls (6) are the only ones with more championships than the Spurs) is like complaining someone doesn't have better furniture at home because that person doesn't want to max-out his/her credit cards...
I'm sorry for the rant, but it's really annoying to read this kind of post when i see friends and families getting laid off left and right and homes being foreclosed all over the country...
Some perspective, please?
Last edited by toki9; 05-16-2009 at 01:34 AM.
The Spurs were the least desired team in the NBA merger in 76 because our media market was the smallest and most regionalized. Not much has changed since then. We are still one of the smallest market teams in the NBA.
This team is frugal because it has to be. The Alamodome as a venue is within living memory as was the Malik Rose contract that would have been a real financial burden had it stayed. In fact, the AT&T Center was the result of a long time record of success and work. IMO, Tim and DROB got it paid for but Angelo Drossos, Spur's least wealthiest owner sweated blood to keep them in SA and is little remembered for it. He was largely responsible for the NBA allowing the 3 pt play. It was said Red Auerbach did every thing possible to stop Drossos. Drossos never saw a Spurs Championship and died in 1997. The Spurs are still here because of him and his "cheapness". Red McCombs wasn't always a billionaire either. And he could have made a lot more money selling the Spurs than what he got.
I have no doubt that this team would have moved w/o it and it took a championship to make it a reality. They built the Alamodome on a whim and a possibility while the HemisFair Arena was past its prime. Mission (Wolfe) Stadium was built before ATT&T. And the resistance to it was not a small matter because in reality San Antonio is a poor town in regards to Dallas, Houston, LA, NY Boston, etc.
It still is.
This team's financial difficulties incurred by the owners in the past almost caused this team to be moved/sold on two different occasions that I can remember. The moves were real possibilities. This team operates on a slim budget, it always has. It has no choice.
With that said...
This team has had the fewest lotto years than any other team in the NBA even better than Los Angeles. Four (only 4) lotto years since 1973. Pretty damn impressive for a team that uses the luxury tax rebate in it operating budget. It has always been a prominent playoff team since the move to San Antonio. Going overboard is not an option as NBA franchises are not an inexpensive business. The Spurs have no choice.
When the Spurs went over the luxury tax a few years back by $700,000, we paid the $700K penalty and lost out on the $2.5 million luxury tax rebate paid for by luxury tax teams and given to non-luxury tax teams. So that 700K cost the Spurs about 4 million dollars and I doubt the owners ever see a dime of it.
This team has done the most with the least than any other NBA team.
End of discussion.
So the cheap tag is bull . It's disrespectful to Holt and the organization who have dome a masterful magnificent job maximizing and making the Spurs the winiest pro franchise in all of US sports of the last decade. And with all due respect...grow up. It's funny how all the answers are on the premise notion of what they should do using someone else's money.
Peter Holt and the other owners are under no obligation to incur debts and liabilities for the schemes of fans. If money was the cure, then where are all the O'Brien trophies in New York and Dallas? No modern teams spent more and received less.
And other NBA teams aren't raiding and recruiting our front office staff because we're "cheap". Donald Sterling is living proof that "cheap" gets you .
So for all the Spurs fans who are whining and acting like trust fund babies who have the answers, you don't have a clue because in the real world money doesn't grow on trees or is an en lement.
Be grateful and thankful for this team, it's owners past and present and this organization and shove the "cheap" tag up your ass. It's highly undeserved unless you're willing to spend your own money. And few rarely put their own money where their mouth is.
Last edited by JWest596; 05-16-2009 at 02:56 AM.
Maybe we should say, because the Spurs are careful and smart with their money we are not like New York, Dallas , Clippers and Suns; MEGA Salaries with absolutely nothing to show for it. "Only" four les? Yes, it could have been more, but four is a LOT.
Great post!
I'm just shattered. Throw the Spurs out of the ATT and bring in Soccer.
4 = 4th most in NBA History. I am very happy with that. Considering we are a small market and have to penny pinch year in and year out, having 4 les is completely awesome.
we are only behind the two best franchises in league history, Celtics and Lakers, and the Jordan/Pippen Bulls. All 3 are big city, big market teams. The Bulls have been ty for most of their history. Really only the Jordan years have been fruitful for that team, but boy was that some sweet and fulfilling fruit for that team and their fans.
So stop complaining about only having 4 Championships. We have those 4 and the 2nd best winning percentage of all time.
GO SPURS GO
It's better than that.
Since the merger (which is the only point after which the Spurs could have done anything about it), only 2 franchises have won more les:
Lakers - 8 (80, 82, 85, 87, 88, 00, 01, 02, 03)
Bulls - 6 (91, 92, 93, 96, 97, 98)
Spurs - 4 (99, 03, 05, 07)
Celtics - 4 (81, 84, 86, 08)
Pistons - 3 (89, 90, 04)
Rockets - 2 (94, 95)
Blazers - 1 (77)
Wizards - 1 (78)
Thunder - 1 (79)
Sixers - 1 (83)
Heat - 1 (06)
4 is better than none you ungrateful bas . Folks here in Denver would kill to win even one ring.
........and we don't have
Nuggets - 1 (ABA Conference le-76')
because the spurs are cheap we only have...
Originally Posted by SouthTexasRancher
Noooooooooooope!!!
Red McCombs, Angelo Drossos, Peter Holt, et al (Spurs owners past & present), have been very smart with finances. Look at the various teams in all the Major League sports who have the biggest payroll and year after year they are at the bottom in wins.
Paying big bucks to some of the spoiled brats today will only buy you headaches and heartaches. Nobody has ever said the three Spurs owners I've mentioned above by name were not smart businessmen. They have made their money the hard way....they've earned it.
And if you don't believe me just ask fans of the Knicks and Mavs...what has the big spending brought them???? I rest my case!
The Spurs are coming back with a vengeance....and you can take that to the bank!
Not quite figuring your post out because in the 2nd part or latter part you sound like you are balsting me for saying what you said but in fewer words. I was praising the Spurs ownership for doing such a great job in a market like ours and was DISagreeing with the one who started this thread. I will wait till I get a response from you as to whom you were directing your post to. By quoting me it looks like you misunderstood my post or you were actually blasting the originator of this particular thread and used my post as a point of agreement with you.
or you were actually blasting the originator of this particular thread and used my post as a point of agreement with you.
My apologies for any confusion. You are correct.
I remember the pre-championship days in the seventies and eighties when we would have killed for JUST ONE. Anyone who has started cheering for the Spurs since 1999 is truly blessed. This was definitely a down year because of injuries and poor play by many of your role players. But I believe we have a good chance to be right back in it for the next few years. And, if our window HAS closed, I will still love the spurs until the day I die.
That is so true, most of the time something would always hold us back from getting all the way. You can even add Derek Anderson's injury, caused by Juwan Howard. Once he went down, Tim's help went out the door with him.
Thanks for responding....no apologies are necessary. I just wasn't sure about the last part. Nice post, btw!
+1hey as someone who was a fan pre-1999....i will take "just" 4.
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