Back up off of Manu

[ElNono]

the swagger is winning several games in a row and having that confidence

So nobody else on the team except for Manu can make the Spurs win several games in a row and have confidence... Not even Tony Parker?... I think you're onto something there...

spurs did not get that because pop kepted reminding their players if manu was a no go they had no chance
had nothing to do with tp being a leader

So it's all Pop fault. Then why do you want to trade Manu? Let's fire Pop instead.

[superjames1992]

Ok, i see. But there is a huge difference between manu and tony, you cant compare them. Tony is a superstar. Manu is not, yeah he was great, but i dont see him as a wonderful player. besides he is getting older too, maybe we come at some point that we should consider to focus on young talent, even if it means to lose manu. We can without him, we cant without tony. So letting manu go, is not so bad, its a shame, but it is not so bad. Tony instead is. Im saying, manu isnt all that great and with the injuries he is becoming more and more a subject of trading.

How do you come up with the fact that Tony is any better than Manu? Manu had a better year last year and was injured this year, so it's hard to compare the two. Tony pretty much drives to the hoop or shoots jumpshots. Manu can shoot the three, the mid-range J, drive the the hoop, dunk the ball, make some great layups, and get to the foul line (where he gets to more and shoots a much better percentage than Tony). And Manu is who gets the ball when the game is on the line.

Timmy is the only superstar on the team. Manu and Tony are just stars.

[ElNono]

good
in denver for jr smith + plus picks or fillers
and they can deal with him being paid and not playing

If Manu is still injured, sure. If he's not, you can get better than that for his expiring contract.

[ducks]

If Manu is still injured, sure. If he's not, you can get better than that for his expiring contract.

maybe you do not know the level a healthy manu can play at after his latest injury

[DAF86]

maybe you do not know the level a healthy manu can play at after his latest injury

Nobody knows that, that's why it would be pretty stupid to trade him before seeing what can he do for us next season.

[ElNono]

maybe you do not know the level a healthy manu can play at after his latest injury

Exactly.

[Bukefal]

How do you come up with the fact that Tony is any better than Manu? Manu had a better year last year and was injured this year, so it's hard to compare the two. Tony pretty much drives to the hoop or shoots jumpshots. Manu can shoot the three, the mid-range J, drive the the hoop, dunk the ball, make some great layups, and get to the foul line (where he gets to more and shoots a much better percentage than Tony). And Manu is who gets the ball when the game is on the line.

Timmy is the only superstar on the team. Manu and Tony are just stars.

Its funny you are doubting that tony is better than manu. Come on man, are you blind? Tony is far a better player than manu, on every front. You cant even compare them. And you say tony is not a superstar? Even after this season you still say he is not a superstar? Well, i tell you, the way tony plays and carrying a team almost the whole season, that is a superstar my friend. Dont get me wrong here, i dont say manu is not a good player, cause he is. But, he cant do more than being just a 'good' player. he does not have a potential, which tony for example does have. he never had the makings of a superstar bballer, cant play whole games, he struggles with injuries alot and he is getting old.

[DAF86]

Its funny you are doubting that tony is better than manu. Come on man, are you blind? Tony is far a better player than manu, on every front. You cant even compare them. And you say tony is not a superstar? Even after this season you still say he is not a superstar? Well, i tell you, the way tony plays and carrying a team almost the whole season, that is a superstar my friend. Dont get me wrong here, i dont say manu is not a good player, cause he is. But, he cant do more than being just a 'good' player but he does not have a potential, which tony for example does have. he cant play whole games, he struggles with injuries alot and he is getting old.

Right now there's no doubt that Tony is better than Manu, but there's nothing surprising about that Tony is on his prime while Manu is 31 and injured. But Manu on his prime was better than Tony now.

[SA210]

Manu is the heart and fire of this team. He plays with more heart than ANYONE. He stays!

[superjames1992]

Its funny you are doubting that tony is better than manu. Come on man, are you blind? Tony is far a better player than manu, on every front. You cant even compare them. And you say tony is not a superstar? Even after this season you still say he is not a superstar? Well, i tell you, the way tony plays and carrying a team almost the whole season, that is a superstar my friend. Dont get me wrong here, i dont say manu is not a good player, cause he is. But, he cant do more than being just a 'good' player. he does not have a potential, which tony for example does have. he never had the makings of a superstar bballer, cant play whole games, he struggles with injuries alot and he is getting old.

Yes, Tony was better than Manu this year, but Manu was better than Tony last year. It's really hard to say who's really the better player, though Tony should be better considering he's in his prime.

And, no, Tony is not a superstar. There are only a few superstars in the league (Kobe, LeBron, Duncan, Grangier, and a couple others). Perhaps you define "superstar" differently than I do. Manu and Tony are stars in my book. They're top 25 or 50 players in the league, no doubt, but I wouldn't put either of them in the top 10 where the superstars are.

[ElNono]

Other than to rile up ducks with absurdity, I'm not going to get into the Tony vs Manu idiocy. I for one are glad they're both in our team behind TD.

[Bukefal]

Well yeah, we all look to things in a different way, nothing wrong with that. For me TP is a superstar, who is still young, and has a whole future ahead of him. While manu for me is just a good player, whose career is going downhill, im afraid. I dont think manu ever was better in his prime than tony now. But well, that's a debate which can go on and on and on, mixed with personal opinions.

Im still glad too, like elnono said, that he is on our team, really. But I say again, its too early now, but if its going on like this, considering to trade manu is not such a bad idea i think. If its really going downhill, i think spurs can take their energy in focusing on some younger talent.

[ElNono]

While manu for me is just a good player, whose career is going downhill, im afraid. I dont think manu ever was better in his prime than tony now. But well, that's a debate which can go on and on and on, mixed with personal opinions.

Considering Manu is a lock to the HOF, I honestly think your standards for what makes an above average player are certainly out of whack. But you're certainly en led to your opinion.

[Bukefal]

I dont quite understand what you just meant with the word lock. Are you saying that manu should be in Hall of Fame?

[Mel_13]

I dont quite understand what you just meant with the word lock. Are you saying that manu should be in Hall of Fame?

He is a mortal lock

[ElNono]

I dont quite understand what you just meant with the word lock. Are you saying that manu should be in Hall of Fame?

No, I mean it's indisputable he most likely will be.

[Bukefal]

I see you think very highly of him. But Manu in Hall of Fame?!?!?!

[mookie2001]

Manu is a lock to the HOF

good lord

[Mel_13]

I see you think very highly of him. But Manu in Hall of Fame?!?!?!

Absolute lock. The Basketball Hall of Fame is not an NBA Hall of Fame. Amateurs, professionals, women and international players are all eligible. Manu's body of work in the NBA, Europe, and with his National Team make him a lock.

Awards

* Italian League All-Star: 1999, 2000, 2001
* Italian League Most Improved Player: 2000, 2001, 2002
* Euroleague Finals Most Valuable Player: 2001
* FIBA Americas Championship Most Valuable Player: 2001
* Italian Cup Most Valuable Player: 2002
* NBA All-Star: 2005
* All-Tournament Team, FIBA World Championship: 2002, 2006
* Ideal Olympics Team: 2004
* Summer Olympic Games Most Valuable Player: 2004
* Olimpia de Oro: 2003, 2004 (shared with Carlos Tévez)
* 50 Greatest Euroleague Contributors: 2008
* NBA Sixth Man of the Year Award: 2008
* All-NBA Third Team: 2008



les

* Italian League Championship: 2001
* Italian Cup: 2001, 2002
* Euroleague: 2001
* Americas Championship: 2001
* NBA Championship: 2003, 2005, 2007
* Summer Olympic Games gold medal: 2004
* Summer Olympic Games bronze medal: 2008

[DAF86]

I see you think very highly of him. But Manu in Hall of Fame?!?!?!

good lord

People that don't know about the Basketball Hall of Fame and laugh when somebody says that Manu is a future Hall of Famer are the ones that rile me up the most.

[mookie2001]

Liga Esmegma 1998 All Mecos Team

[mookie2001]

hey thanks for those facts i had no idea women and international players were eligible too

what about college coaches and aba players?

[Bukefal]

People that don't know about the Basketball Hall of Fame and laugh when somebody says that Manu is a future Hall of Famer are the ones that rile me up the most.

Really? doesnt it have to do that you are argentine just like manu? Well, i dont want to destroy your dreams and all that. But still manu in the hall of fame??

[DAF86]

Really? doesnt it have to do that you are argentine just like manu? Well, i dont want to destroy your dreams and all that. But still manu in the hall of fame??

No, it has to do with the fact that he is my favorite player. And laugh all you want, that won't change the fact that when he's done he will get there.

[Bukefal]

well, the only thing we can do is just sit back and wait. we'll see then.