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give me somebody who watches the games and doesnt stare at stat books. if you want stats go to baseball and calculate the slugging % of someone
Yes
No
Is Kobe overrated as a big-game player and clutch shooter?
I'd say yes because the level of hype that surrounds this aspect of Kobe's game is huge: there's a conception that Kobe is without a doubt the best closer in the game and nobody should even dare to argue this concept and that the biggest the stage the better Kobe will play. And stats clearly refute this: I don't know Bryant's numbers in elimination games but I'm pretty sure they suck and timvp posted not too long ago that his "game wining shots" numbers aren't nice either.
With that said I do think he's clutch (he's definitely not a choker) but he isn't as good as most people say he is on this aspect of the game.
give me somebody who watches the games and doesnt stare at stat books. if you want stats go to baseball and calculate the slugging % of someone
no
I watch games, I know Kobe is clutch, but I also know that he isn't head and shoulders above everybody else in the league. There are tons of players that are just as (if not better) clutch as him.
yes and no
Since taking over as alpha-dog for the Lakers, this is Kobe's record in elimination games:
1) 2003 WCSF Game 6 (LOSS) : SPURS 110, Lakers 82
20 points, 9-19 FG, 2 rebounds, 6 assists, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 7 turnovers
2) 2004 Finals Game 5 (LOSS): Lakers 87, PISTONS 100
24 points, 7-21 FG, 3 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 3 turnovers
3) 2006 WCQF Game 7 (LOSS): Lakers 90, SUNS 121
24 points, 8-16 FG, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 0 steals, 1 block, 3 turnovers
4) 2007 WCQF Game 5 (LOSS): Lakers 110, SUNS 119
34 points, 13-33 FG, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 6 turnovers
5) 2008 Finals Game 6 (LOSS): Lakers 92, CELTICS 131
22 points, 7-22 FG, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 4 turnovers
6) 2009 WCSF Game 7 (WIN): Rockets 70, LAKERS 89
14 points, 4-12 FG, 7 rebounds, 5 assists, 3 steals, 2blocks, 1 turnover
AVERAGES:
23.0 PPG
3.83 REBOUNDS
3.00 ASSISTS
39.0% FG%
1.17 STEALS
0.500 BLOCKS
4.00 TURNOVERS
PER: 14.0
I don't usually like to put a lot of stock into the PER, but an elite player doing that horribly on it is unreal. To put it in perspective, here's a list of players average PER this season in the 14.0 +/- 0.25 range:
1-5 in elimination games as the man and production on par with Ronnie Brewer, Randy Foye, and Spencer Hawes? Clearly, he is not the big game player he's hyped to be. I remember the way Duncan was absolutely crucified by the media for his 14/10/4 and 16/16/2 games, injured, against the Pistons in 05. Yet everyone blames Kobe's teammates when he doesn't come to play. Kobe's a of a player, but he is clearly not the guy you count on with your backs against the wall. Not a single one of those performances in elimination games would be considered a good much less great performance.Code:RANK PLAYER PER ==== =============== ======= 112 Chris Duhon 14.25 113 Wilson Chandler 14.18 114 Tyrus Thomas 14.10 115 Tyson Chandler 14.09 116 Al Thornton 14.04 117 Ronnie Brewer 14.02 118 Randy Foye 14.00 118 Spencer Hawes 14.00 120 Andrei Kirilenko 13.85 121 Brendan Haywood 13.83 122 Eric Gordon 13.80 123 Joakim Noah 13.78
Voted No.
He's overrated as a player who thinks he's tough though.
Rockets have 2 (not 1) of the best defenders in the NBA.
Kobe still averaged 28 points in this series facing Artest/Battier and a double/triple team in the paint.
Rockets were set on stopping Kobe and let the other guys get theirs.
If Kobe can average 28 points versus Battier/Artest, I'd suspect he'll average 35 points versus Dahntay Jones and JR Smith.
There is no such thing as clutch.
Bryant is not a mentally tough player, but he's not a choker.
Points avg per game doesn't mean anything. What's better to put 28 points in 28 shots or 20 in 12?
kobe was overrated between 1997 and 2006
Actually, I was wrong. Kobe averaged 30 points versus the Rockets on 46% shooting, that's pretty good...especially when you consider the defense was keyed on him.
I think he is just a front runner, he doesn't want to have his back on the wall too much.
Shots per game?
Anyone who says Kobe is overrated as a clutch shooter is absolutely ignorant...
22 shots per game for 30 points against two premier defenders.
Kobe was so ing good in 2006. That was the year he went off for like 50+ all those games in a row and got that 81 point game, dragged scrubs into the playoffs and took an incredibly good PHO team to 7 games.
He was not over-rated that year. He didn't win the MVP, therefore he was under-rated.
OP...there is only one thing Kobe is over rated as..
And that is if anyone says he is a nice guy...he's not!!!
No seriously though...he is one of the clutchest players I have ever seen.
haha thats the first thing i said when i read that post....
Nuff said.
I wish you would've made it public so we could've seen all the laker fans vote no.
Are you kidding me?
Did you see bb's post or conveniently skip over it?
Probably overrated by some, particularly Lakers or Kobe fans. It certainly doesn't make him bad or not clutch, but sure, somewhat overrated. His numbers definitely don't back him up, but I think a lot of what makes him a great closer and clutch player is his presence and mental approach in the clutch. His shooting percentage isn't as good as others in the clutch, but he's never one to be afraid in the moment. Whereas some great players will turn down a shot or defer in clutch moments so that their' "clutch stats" won't be affected, Kobe's not concerned about missing the shot or trying to make the play. I think it's that thing that makes him a great clutch player, his willingness to be the goat if he fails. You can argue that he hasn't been that great as a clutch player in the playoffs as the no. 1 guy, and many Kobe apologists will blame his teammates for those shortcomings. It's probably somewhere in the middle. He's overrated, but still certainly a guy you want with the ball in his hands in the clutch.
Kobe is pretty ing clutch. Not the GOAT, of course, but pretty damn good.
I still don't see him winning a le without Shaq, though. We'll see.
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