Lost....What is up with the "Others"?

[I Love Me Some Me]

What lies in the shadow of the statue?
Richard's answer in Latin translates to "he who protects us all" or "he who saves us all".
We had a better look at the head of the statue, i always thought it was anubis, but now it looks like it's Taweret (the goddess of materniy and childbirth, the protector of women and children).

I thought it wassa JarJar Binks.

[mFFL03]

I hated the finale, and the last two seasons as a whole. There was very little revealed during this season, and it's starting to come off as lazy story telling. It's easy to hook your audience when you set up unanswered question after unanswered question. The wiggle room they left themselves, there could be no real consequence for anything. Just a disappointing episode and story arch. You could see what was coming after the first five minutes.

you're an idiot. you obviously haven't been watching ANY of the episodes.

If you answered all the questions and had a clear story one hour at a time, you'd have ER, House, or The Office....not Lost.

There are only a few original questions left to answer. Those pertain to Walt, the healing powers of the island (locke's legs and rose's cancer), and how the Dharma Initiative found the island.

Other than that, we are set for this final season. I can't believe it's just about over. I can't even imagine what is going to happen next.

[Jacob1983]

I think that even if the bomb went off that it didn't change anything. I don't think it changed anything because I believe the plane crashing on the island is a part of all the Losties' destinies. They can't change that. Besides, Jacob was in all of the plane crash survivors' flashbacks so I'm guessing he made it where they got on the plane and that it crashed because it's their destiny. I may be the only one that feels this way but I kinda felt sorry for Ben in the season finale. He seemed like his whole world was destroyed.

[exstatic]

I think that even if the bomb went off that it didn't change anything. I don't think it changed anything because I believe the plane crashing on the island is a part of all the Losties' destinies. They can't change that. Besides, Jacob was in all of the plane crash survivors' flashbacks so I'm guessing he made it where they got on the plane and that it crashed because it's their destiny. I may be the only one that feels this way but I kinda felt sorry for Ben in the season finale. He seemed like his whole world was destroyed.

Looks like you're assuming one linear time line. There's a link somewhere in this thread to a web page with multiple time lines, showing that things had been changed and reset multiple times long before the bomb went off.

As for Ben Linus, F' him. He's a user and manipulator of the highest order, and it warmed my heart to see him led around by the nose and used by what I will call The Adversary.

[Blake]

The final season should be awesome now that we see what is really going on.

A couple things I'm thinking is that the Smoke Monster and the Anti-Jacob might be the same thing. We know the smoke monster can shape-shift and it has been coddling Locke the entire time since the crash. The smoke monster also set up scaring Ben less into following Locke's (anti-jacob's) commands; FakeLocke was right above the meeting at the time.

Also, I doubt Jacob is dead and that was his only episode. He baited Ben to stab him like he knew what was going on. That's why he went back in time to the Hot Latin girl and told her to "help him" aka bring Locke's body to Richard.

In the end Free-Will and Love (Kate & Jack, Jin & Sun, Desmond & Penny, Sawyer & Juliet will save the day). Free-Will to change events in time, and Love to push the humans [survivors] to take on a demi-god.

yeah, I started thinking too that the anti-jacob is also 'smokey' and had been the devil on the island.

I also think that Richard asking Jack "what do you think about Locke? I've gone off the island three times to test him and all three times there seemed to be nothing special about him" and Jack responding "don't give up on him"
leads us to believe that the real Locke is not 100% dead yet.

my questions:

is Christian a good guy or bad guy?

can anti-Jacob not see the future like Jacob can?

why in the world are Ben and Whitmore fighting to be leaders of the Others? What's the point?

[Blake]

Daniel's story is finished. They painted all the numbers and drew all the lines for you. They even gave you a preview where they show Jack taking Daniel's notebook and intending to carry out Daniel's plan to detonate the H-bomb himself. Jack will end up causing "The Incident" and in trying to prevent the sequence of events that lead to Flight 815's crashing, he instead will bring them about. They are telegraphing the irony.

ok super genius,

I think the writers clearly led us to believe it's over between Juliette and Sawyer, but is she dead?

[King]

One other thing I noticed is, when the bomb 'exploded' it was a huge white light.

When they jumped time, it was a huge white light.

So, it wasn't necessarily even the bomb that exploded. Maybe they just jumped time.

[ATRAIN]

One other thing I noticed is, when the bomb 'exploded' it was a huge white light.

When they jumped time, it was a huge white light.

So, it wasn't necessarily even the bomb that exploded. Maybe they just jumped time.

oo thats a good point!!

[Blake]

One other thing I noticed is, when the bomb 'exploded' it was a huge white light.

When they jumped time, it was a huge white light.

So, it wasn't necessarily even the bomb that exploded. Maybe they just jumped time.

there's no doubt that they jumped time.

they have to hurry and get back to 2007 in order to start the next season.

[Extra Stout]

ok super genius,

I think the writers clearly led us to believe it's over between Juliette and Sawyer, but is she dead?

I also think the writers clearly led us to believe that Juliette and Sawyer are not meant to be together, but I have no idea whether she is dead. They ended with the flash of white light to let us know that anything can happen with them. It's open-ended for now.

[Blake]

I also think the writers clearly led us to believe that Juliette and Sawyer are not meant to be together, but I have no idea whether she is dead. They ended with the flash of white light to let us know that anything can happen with them. It's open-ended for now.

the actress that plays Juliette signed on to do some episodes for the new series V, but it appears she might be doing just some guest spots.

If she signs on full time, I guess we can go ahead and assume she's Charlie dead.

[Extra Stout]

the actress that plays Juliette signed on to do some episodes for the new series V, but it appears she might be doing just some guest spots.

If she signs on full time, I guess we can go ahead and assume she's Charlie dead.

The actors' choices on whether or not to stay on the show trump the grand narrative of the producers.

Had Cane been picked up, there would be no more Richard Alpert.

As another example, there will be no explantion of Libby's backstory. They had it planned for Season 4, but those scenes had to be cut out due to the writers' strike. After flying all the way out to Hawaii for what ended up to be just a few seconds of screen time, Cynthia Watros is not interested in helping the producers tie up that loose end.

So who knows what will happen with Elizabeth Mitc . With the way Season 5 ended, she could die, she could go back to 2001, she could go back to 2004, she could go back to 2007, she could end up on the Black Rock, or she could become the ancient Egyptian goddess of fertility. Who knows.

[sonic21]

here's a theory:

If you look on wikipedia.com, it talks about jacob and his twin "Esau's birth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob


Its all related to christianity to some degree. The tale goes that the father has a magical present or something and he can only give it to one of his boys. Esau was supposed to get it because he was the elder son. But jacob and his mom tricked the dad into giving it to jacob. Ever since then esau has been jealous of jacob. He was supposed to get the island..not jacob. he can't kill him either. sooo thats why there is a conflict between the two.

back to LOST: Esau tricked ben into killing jacob because he himself cant kill jacob. he orchesrated all the events. Helped get all the LOSTies back on the island. He knew that jon locke was close to ben and a leader and close to jacob. So he made him go back in time to "kill himself" and get the LOSTies back(as christian remember?) this made john locke dead. So this means that esau can take over lockes body(remember he was given christian shoe??)

After taking lockes body his next step is to convince ben to listen to him. He took ben to the smoke monster(aka his own house) Remember ben didn't know where the smoke monster lived??? job locke did!!!!(aka the smoke monster aka Esau). He brought him in and he "disappeared" he changed pods into bens daughter and told ben to listen to john locke no matter WHAT(aka listen to esau). So ben now HAS to listen to john locke. Then john locke tells him to kill Jacob(because esau cant). So tahts what ben did!!!

The reason why Esau is the smoke monster is because someone killed him a long time ago. he was then trapped in that house with that soil on the ground.(can someone clarify who broke the soil? hurley or ben/john locke in season 1?) Anyways, After the soil got cut, esau can finally leave the cabin.However, he can usually leave as a smoke monster only. But now since the soil is broken, he can leave as a human being(in a pod). He pretended to be jacobs friend throughout the most of the seasons because jacob enslaved esau's body in the cabin. Now that he is loose, he wanted to get revenge.

Thoughts???

[Blake]

here's a theory:

If you look on wikipedia.com, it talks about jacob and his twin "Esau's birth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob


Its all related to christianity to some degree. The tale goes that the father has a magical present or something and he can only give it to one of his boys. Esau was supposed to get it because he was the elder son. But jacob and his mom tricked the dad into giving it to jacob. Ever since then esau has been jealous of jacob. He was supposed to get the island..not jacob. he can't kill him either. sooo thats why there is a conflict between the two.

back to LOST: Esau tricked ben into killing jacob because he himself cant kill jacob. he orchesrated all the events. Helped get all the LOSTies back on the island. He knew that jon locke was close to ben and a leader and close to jacob. So he made him go back in time to "kill himself" and get the LOSTies back(as christian remember?) this made john locke dead. So this means that esau can take over lockes body(remember he was given christian shoe??)

After taking lockes body his next step is to convince ben to listen to him. He took ben to the smoke monster(aka his own house) Remember ben didn't know where the smoke monster lived??? job locke did!!!!(aka the smoke monster aka Esau). He brought him in and he "disappeared" he changed pods into bens daughter and told ben to listen to john locke no matter WHAT(aka listen to esau). So ben now HAS to listen to john locke. Then john locke tells him to kill Jacob(because esau cant). So tahts what ben did!!!

The reason why Esau is the smoke monster is because someone killed him a long time ago. he was then trapped in that house with that soil on the ground.(can someone clarify who broke the soil? hurley or ben/john locke in season 1?) Anyways, After the soil got cut, esau can finally leave the cabin.However, he can usually leave as a smoke monster only. But now since the soil is broken, he can leave as a human being(in a pod). He pretended to be jacobs friend throughout the most of the seasons because jacob enslaved esau's body in the cabin. Now that he is loose, he wanted to get revenge.

Thoughts???

Even though Ben killing Jacob has a Christ-like look to it, I don't think so.

Jacob appears to be some kind of Egyptian god and the whole immortality thing seems to stem from Egyptian mythology. Richard also appears to be an Egyptian priest to Jacob......

no sign of any Hebrew any where.



I'm still wondering about Christian Shepherd. Who does he "work" for? Jacob or anti-Jacob?

[Spurminator]

If Juliet goes to 2007, wouldn't she essentially be buried alive?

[Blake]

If Juliet goes to 2007, wouldn't she essentially be buried alive?

eh, there's nothing to say the hole won't still be there in 2007...

plus, it looked like Locke was buried alive and we see how that worked out

[Spurminator]

I don't know that we can assume Locke didn't flash forward/back like the rest of them when he fell into the hole, because he fell into a place that had been there for who knows how long. Juliet fell into a place that, in 2007, has a station built on top of it.

Anyway, I guess it just supports the idea that there are several possible explanations for what happened to Juliet whether she leaves or returns to the show. For me, though, this is the most likely.

[Jacob1983]

So how long has Esau/smoke monster/fakelocke been in the form of Locke? I've heard some people have said it's longer than you think. And is the smoke monster/Esau/fakelocke like The First in Buffy where it can impersonate only dead people? And was the boat that Jacob and Esau saw on the ocean in the opening scene in the season finale the same boat that had the dynamite that was used to blow up the hatch?

[jaffies]

So how long has Esau/smoke monster/fakelocke been in the form of Locke? I've heard some people have said it's longer than you think.

I wouldn't even say I'm 100% sure that Esau was posing as Locke. That 'NotLocke' could be 'Future Locke' (of course after the island heals him yet again, and a time shift to his past, aka '2007current'). However, I'm under the impression that Esau has been pretty much every unexplained apparition since the even before the Dharma days (Christian, Walt, Eko's brother, Claire, etc.). I'm probably wrong, though.

And was the boat that Jacob and Esau saw on the ocean in the opening scene in the season finale the same boat that had the dynamite that was used to blow up the hatch?

I would assume yes. There's nothing in the story yet to suggest otherwise.

[Blake]

So how long has Esau/smoke monster/fakelocke been in the form of Locke? I've heard some people have said it's longer than you think.

I don't see how it could be any longer than when he showed up alive on the island.

The whole scene where he dropped down the well by himself and had to turn the wheel doesn't seem to jive if he was really anti-Jacob

And is the smoke monster/Esau/fakelocke like The First in Buffy where it can impersonate only dead people?

maybe, but it seems like when Walt got kidnapped, that he was showing up in visions.

And was the boat that Jacob and Esau saw on the ocean in the opening scene in the season finale the same boat that had the dynamite that was used to blow up the hatch?

probably so. good call.