Is Kobe Overrated...?

[baseline bum]

Overrated? yes.

As a clutch/big game player though? no.

No bigger stage than the Olympics, and when LeBron/Howard/Carmelo/Wade were on the verge of choking the gold medal away, Kobe was the one that stepped up to win it.

The NBA Finals are a far bigger stage than the olympics. Are you nuts?

[MiamiHeat]

Wasn't DWYANE WADE voted the Most Valuable player for the Olympic team?

what are you talking about 'choke' ?

Kobe sucked in most of the games. It was Wade or Bron leading the team

[BRHornet45]

Shaq won 3 NBA les along with 3 Finals MVP awards in L.A. ..... Kobe sat back and watched just like the rest of us.

[Obstructed_View]

Overrated? yes.

As a clutch/big game player though? no.

No bigger stage than the Olympics, and when LeBron/Howard/Carmelo/Wade were on the verge of choking the gold medal away, Kobe was the one that stepped up to win it.

So Manu > Kobe > Duncan.

[Allanon]

Kobe is averaging 36 points on 47% shooting in the WCF.

I think people are starting to under-rate him because he's so humble and doesn't say much like other Superstars are supposed to do. Alot like how people under-rate Duncan because he doesn't say things like "Nothing's Impossssssssssssible".

Just when you think they've lost a step, they nail a dagger 3 in your eye.

[NewJerSpur]

Kobe is averaging 36 points on 47% shooting in the WCF.

I think people are starting to under-rate him because he's so humble and doesn't say much like other Superstars are supposed to do. Alot like how people under-rate Duncan because he doesn't say things like "Nothing's Impossssssssssssible".

Just when you think they've lost a step, they nail a dagger 3 in your eye.

Are you referring to Mr. "He can't guard me, he can't guard me, he can't..." I didn't want to see the Rockets win, but that was nauseating.

[peskypesky]

Kobe is pretty ing clutch. Not the GOAT, of course, but pretty damn good.

I agree. He's clutch as . In my opinion he's only over-rated when people compare him to Jordan. Other than that, he's pretty ing awesome and dangerous as .

[Jacko]

I agree. He's clutch as . In my opinion he's only over-rated when people compare him to Jordan. Other than that, he's pretty ing awsome and dangerous as .

I agree with this assessment.

I think the best thing that can happen for Kobe is for the media to jump on the LBJ bandwagon and leave him the alone.

[LakerHater]

I agree. He's clutch as . In my opinion he's only over-rated when people compare him to Jordan. Other than that, he's pretty ing awesome and dangerous as .

Yeah, he dangerous & hes a great player but, clutch..... ummm I don't know!!

[Allanon]

It's hard to overrate great players.

Best players I've watched in my lifetime, no particular order.

Tim Duncan, Lebron James, Kobe Bryant, T-Mac (in his prime), old-school VC, Shaq

[jacobdrj]

No but he is over rated as a defender...

[Ghazi]

It's hard to overrate great players.

Best players I've watched in my lifetime, no particular order.

Tim Duncan, Lebron James, Kobe Bryant, T-Mac (in his prime), old-school VC, Shaq

No love for 2006 NBA Champion Dirk Nowitzki who is 4-1 v the cucks on that list? (03 loss to Duncan doesn't count since Dirk was hurt)

[Showtime24 LAKERS]

Both Kobe's showed up in a huge way. perfect at the line, 12-20 fg, 35 points, 1 block, 10 assists, 6 rebounds, and only 1 turnover. the Guy was unbelievable!

[Gouken]

no he's not overrated!!

[Allanon]

No love for 2006 NBA Champion Dirk Nowitzki who is 4-1 v the cucks on that list? (03 loss to Duncan doesn't count since Dirk was hurt)

Actually yes. Dirk is also a great player as well too, I just forgot about him since he hasn't been in the Playoffs much this year.

Probably the best "real" foreign player ever.

[Ghazi]

Hakeem was born in nigeria!

[La Peace]

John Paxson and Steve Kerr hit more big shots than Jordan. Just like Horry/Fisher in the 3pt era. If you didn't watch the games shut the up.

[Amaso]

John Paxson and Steve Kerr hit more big shots than Jordan. Just like Horry/Fisher in the 3pt era. If you didn't watch the games shut the up.

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[Killakobe81]

Shaq won 3 NBA les along with 3 Finals MVP awards in L.A. ..... Kobe sat back and watched just like the rest of us.

So Shaq ewon by himself with no fT game or true post game ahhh no. Dumbass

[Killakobe81]

Since taking over as alpha-dog for the Lakers, this is Kobe's record in elimination games:

1) 2003 WCSF Game 6 (LOSS) : SPURS 110, Lakers 82
20 points, 9-19 FG, 2 rebounds, 6 assists, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 7 turnovers

2) 2004 Finals Game 5 (LOSS): Lakers 87, PISTONS 100
24 points, 7-21 FG, 3 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 3 turnovers

3) 2006 WCQF Game 7 (LOSS): Lakers 90, SUNS 121
24 points, 8-16 FG, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 0 steals, 1 block, 3 turnovers

4) 2007 WCQF Game 5 (LOSS): Lakers 110, SUNS 119
34 points, 13-33 FG, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 6 turnovers

5) 2008 Finals Game 6 (LOSS): Lakers 92, CELTICS 131
22 points, 7-22 FG, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 4 turnovers

6) 2009 WCSF Game 7 (WIN): Rockets 70, LAKERS 89
14 points, 4-12 FG, 7 rebounds, 5 assists, 3 steals, 2blocks, 1 turnover

AVERAGES:
23.0 PPG
3.83 REBOUNDS
3.00 ASSISTS
39.0% FG%
1.17 STEALS
0.500 BLOCKS
4.00 TURNOVERS

PER: 14.0

I don't usually like to put a lot of stock into the PER, but an elite player doing that horribly on it is unreal. To put it in perspective, here's a list of players average PER this season in the 14.0 +/- 0.25 range:

RANK    PLAYER             PER
====   ===============   =======
112    Chris Duhon        14.25
113    Wilson Chandler    14.18
114    Tyrus Thomas       14.10
115    Tyson Chandler     14.09
116    Al Thornton        14.04
117    Ronnie Brewer      14.02
118    Randy Foye         14.00
118    Spencer Hawes      14.00
120    Andrei Kirilenko   13.85
121    Brendan Haywood    13.83
122    Eric Gordon        13.80
123    Joakim Noah        13.78

1-5 in elimination games as the man and production on par with Ronnie Brewer, Randy Foye, and Spencer Hawes? Clearly, he is not the big game player he's hyped to be. I remember the way Duncan was absolutely crucified by the media for his 14/10/4 and 16/16/2 games, injured, against the Pistons in 05. Yet everyone blames Kobe's teammates when he doesn't come to play. Kobe's a of a player, but he is clearly not the guy you count on with your backs against the wall. Not a single one of those performances in elimination games would be considered a good much less great performance.

Dont know if you did this on purpose but your source is faullty you missed game 5 in Finals last year HATER again crunch the numbers tonight on the road ...

[mytespurs]

Kobe is not over rated; he's a HOF players. I don't get the Kobe hating nor the LBJ hating.

Bottom line....both guys are great players and I imagine most here would like to have either one on their teams.

[Laker-fan-in-SanAnto]

Is Kobe overrated as a big-game player and clutch shooter?

I'd say yes because the level of hype that surrounds this aspect of Kobe's game is huge: there's a conception that Kobe is without a doubt the best closer in the game and nobody should even dare to argue this concept and that the biggest the stage the better Kobe will play. And stats clearly refute this: I don't know Bryant's numbers in elimination games but I'm pretty sure they suck and timvp posted not too long ago that his "game wining shots" numbers aren't nice either.

With that said I do think he's clutch (he's definitely not a choker) but he isn't as good as most people say he is on this aspect of the game.

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[DAF86]

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Well mr. president I can't think of any other superstar that has laid as many eggs as Kobe in so many decisive playoffs games.

[DAF86]

Kobe is not over rated; he's a HOF players. I don't get the Kobe hating nor the LBJ hating.

Bottom line....both guys are great players and I imagine most here would like to have either one on their teams.

I'm not arguing that, read the original post.

[DAF86]

Bump

Great player but he is definitely overated in this situations.