Now I know why Spur fan hates the Lakers so much...

[TheProfessor]

Well it's more then just Gasol, drafting players like Luke, Sasha, Jordan, Turiaf, and Bynum while making great trades and getting guys like Ariza and Pau are what got us up to contending again, just like every other team. Every single team in the league knew Gasol was up for trade for over a year and nobody could give the Grizz what they wanted which was expiring contracts. That deal was strictly a salary dump and suffering with Kwame for as long as the Lakers did was worth getting a great player like Gasol. How do you think the Celtics won the championship last year, trades. I understand the bias and hate towards the Lakers and that will never change so this whole argument is truly worthless but the Grizzles were clearly looking for one thing the entire time and that was expiring contracts and that's what the Lakers had so they got him. That's how the business works, like it or not the Lakers got what no other team could get done so they reek the benefits, it's as simple as that.

Funny, I hear Laker fans ting all over Luke, Sasha, and Farmar, and they certainly started to on Bynum this post-season. And if you think no one in the NBA could have provided expiring contracts for Gasol, you're clueless.

[Jacko]

Obviously the Lakers weren't going to contend without elite talent around Kobe.

That isn't and should not be news to anybody. The fact that you bring it up like it's some sort of revelation is rather funny. You need superstar talent to win championships. Part of being a great GM is knowing how/when to take advantage of other stupid GM's.

Did anyone cry foul when the Warriors stole Baron Davis from the Hornets for Speedy Claxton and Dale Davis? Did anyone cry foul when Detroit snagged Rasheed Wallace for peanuts? No, and you know why.....because they didn't go to the Lakers. The most hated team in basketball because they are just so damn consistently good.

[DPG21920]

Shhhhh, girl.

[KSeal]

Funny, I hear Laker fans ting all over Luke, Sasha, and Farmar, and they certainly started to on Bynum this post-season. And if you think no one in the NBA could have provided expiring contracts for Gasol, you're clueless.

They've had their up and downs but my point is that they're part of the Lakers team and contribute and help them win. It isn't just king soft that turned us into a contender. Then why didn't the Grizzles GM take the Bulls deal? Or any other deal? Because West wanted to help the Lakers become a contender again just like Mchale, brilliant..

[ElNono]

The most hated team in basketball because they are just so damn consistently good.

You mean like the 04-05, 05-06 and 06-07 Lakers?

[KSeal]

You mean like the 04-05, 05-06 and 06-07 Lakers?

For the talent those teams had other then Kobe, those teams were insanely good. They should have never even made the playoffs once.

[ElNono]

For the talent those teams had other then Kobe, those teams were insanely good. They should have never even made the playoffs once.

The West was actually not that good then.

[Jacko]

You mean like the 04-05, 05-06 and 06-07 Lakers?

The Lakers hold records for having (at the end of the 2007–08 season) the most wins (2,905), the highest winning percentage (61.5%), the most NBA Finals appearances (29), the second fewest non-playoff seasons with five (San Antonio Spurs has four), and the second-most NBA championships with 14, behind the Boston Celtics' 17.[3] They also hold the record for compiling the longest consecutive win streak (33) in U.S. professional team sports (also an NBA record) in the 1971–72 season.[4] 14 Hall of Famers have played for the Lakers, while four Hall of Famer (John Kundla, Bill Sharman, Pat Riley and Phil Jackson) have coached the team. Four Lakers (Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Magic Johnson, Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant) have won the NBA Most Valuable Player award[5] for a total of 8 awards.

Try again moron.

[holcs50]

house what are you talking about? Because lebron has chosen1 tattooed doesn't make him as whiny and arrogant as kobe. Kobe is constantly ing, ever damn call some stupid look, hands out, jawing, he overreacts towards everything (drama QUEEN). And I'm not even going to go into his LONG history of acting like a to his teammates and the me, me, me mentality.

Lebron on the other hand-tattoo or not-conducts himself completely differently. He is all about his teammates, rarely es, goes out plays, and has a good time. Plus you can tell in his interviews he's actually answering sincerely and not fake smiling/laughing and BSing like kobe does in every interview.

To sum it up Kobe is a bag, lebron conducts himself more like MJ... with class. Get over it.

All of that being said of course i dont want the lakers to win for the team of the decade thing...but trust me there's a of a lot more reasons besides that also.

[KidCongo]

Obsessed with the Spurs and Cavs. Another reference to LeBron James.

[redzero]

Spurs and Lakers have bandwagoning bag fans from all over the world. The only real difference is the fact that Spurs fans aren't that big of Tim Duncan nuthuggers, compared to Lakers fans in regards to Kobe Bryant.

[MarHill]

We get it. You're butthurt.

Doesn't change the fact that your best run in franchise history was STILL overshadowed by Laker dominance. The funny thing is that when we win the le this year, everybody will forget about anything the Spurs have done this decade.

But then again, I cant blame you. If I was constantly being curbstomped by one team over and over i'd probably be butthurt too.

Now, Dr House you are flat out wrong.

I understand you are trying to be provocative with your post towards Spurs fans.

But let's have some perspective...please!

The Spurs have 4 championships in 10 years and the most winningest record in that span. It will not be forgotten.

I know of the Lakers' success and deservedly so. But, when Tim Duncan decides to retire...he will go down as one of the greatest big men to ever play the game and those 4 championships (possibly one more) will be remembered.

And the Lakers fans like you or ESPN or other sports media can't take it away from the Spurs.

I like debating you.....but please have respect for your opponents and respect their accomplishments as well.

[redzero]

lol BUMP

[Chieflion]

Who cares about the Lakers. This thread is a waste of bandwidth.

[Ice009]

Well it's more then just Gasol, drafting players like Luke, Sasha, Jordan, Turiaf, and Bynum while making great trades and getting guys like Ariza and Pau are what got us up to contending again, just like every other team. Every single team in the league knew Gasol was up for trade for over a year and nobody could give the Grizz what they wanted which was expiring contracts. That deal was strictly a salary dump and suffering with Kwame for as long as the Lakers did was worth getting a great player like Gasol. How do you think the Celtics won the championship last year, trades. I understand the bias and hate towards the Lakers and that will never change so this whole argument is truly worthless but the Grizzles were clearly looking for one thing the entire time and that was expiring contracts and that's what the Lakers had so they got him. That's how the business works, like it or not the Lakers got what no other team could get done so they reek the benefits, it's as simple as that.

This post is just as pathetic as your friend's post.

1. You got Bynum cause you sucked and didn't make the playoffs.

2. You are only a Championship contender because of the bull Gasol trade. Don't go telling us that you were the only team that could offer expiring contracts.

3. Don't go telling us about scrubs like Walton and Sasha. If you didn't get Gasol in that trade you would not have finished first in the West last season. You probably would have ended up playing Phoenix again in round 1 and gotten knocked out .

I'll just leave it at that because I don't know what else to say to you guys. If the Spurs got Gasol last season for Matt Bonner and other scrubs you'd be crying about it all day.

I just find it funny that you mention drafting scrubs like Sasha and Luke Walton as being these great moves. You got handed Gasol. You didn't earn anything or work hard to build that team. That team was about to fall apart with all of Kobe's crying and the throwing of his teammates to the curb. Ariza was the only good trade I will give you credit for to help towards making the team more legit. He was a player I wanted the Spurs to get and still do.

[Extra Stout]

When the Lakers sucked right after Shaq got traded, it was a rare opportunity to meet the true Laker fans. They are a select breed, usually hailing from southern California (but not always), with a keen sense of the history and nuances of the game. Really they are one of the better fanbases in the league. Their inside jokes about Sedale Threatt are classics.

It's unfortunate that when the Lakers are good these fans' contributions get drowned out by the nationwide army of frontrunning bags.

Oh, and the Gasol trade was similar to so many deals the Lakers have made throughout their history. When the Lakers are down for a couple of years, invariably weaker teams in tough financial straits will start throwing great players or high draft picks at them, or help the Lakers clear lots of salary cap space, for no apparent reason. From Kareem to Magic to Worthy to Shaq to Kobe to Gasol, it's always been the same refrain. A more cynical person might figure that the NBA knows its bread is buttered with a couple of marquee franchises, and so gives cash-strapped teams which are going nowhere anyway some extra "incentive" to help those franchises out when need be.

[DrHouse]

I really don't understand why there is so much venom over the Gasol trade. This isn't the 1st time a trade like that has happened in the NBA and it won't be the last time.

I think most people are just angry the Lakers were able to get back to the top so quickly again, but if their franchise was in the position LAL was in they wouldn't give two s about the supposed "illegality" of the trade.

[Strike]

Kobe is no more arrogant than MJ was/is or any other superstar before him. Having the audacity to put a tattoo on your back saying "CHOSEN ONE" and self-declaring yourself the leader of the Olympic team is FAR more arrogant than anything Kobe has done. Yet, you ignore this.

You simply hate Kobe because of how he can affect your franchise's legacy.

Jordan actually earned his arrogance by leading his team to a pair of 3-peats. If Kobe can actually lead the Lakers to a few les, or even one, then maybe he'll actually rate his arrogance.

As far as hatred for the Lakers, I personally don't hate the Lakers. I don't even hate Kobe Bryant. He's probably my favorite player not in a Spurs uniform. Furthermore, I'm not "threatened" by how the lakers might affect the Spurs' legacy. Who cares? I couldn't care less what the media or Laker fans think of the Spurs or Spurs fans. Actually, I find it funny that so many Laker fans at this site have so little going on that they have to create these stupid little diatribes aimed at other teams' fans for no other reason than to make themselves feel valid. Are your lives so empty that you need to post here to feel better about yourselves?

Get a hobby. Learn a new skill. Read a book.

Are these takes an attempt to stand out from the millions of other insignificant Lakers fans worldwide? Trust me, it's not working. You're just another bag troll with a complex.

[manufan10]

I really don't understand why there is so much venom over the Gasol trade. This isn't the 1st time a trade like that has happened in the NBA and it won't be the last time.

I think most people are just angry the Lakers were able to get back to the top so quickly again, but if their franchise was in the position LAL was in they wouldn't give two s about the supposed "illegality" of the trade.

Just curious, what are those other trades you are talking about? What team traded an all-star caliber player for practically nothing? Not trying to argue or say you are wrong, I'm just curious to see other trades like this.

[DrHouse]

Baron Davis for Speedy Claxton and Dale Davis

Rasheed Wallace for Zeljko Rebraca, Bobby Sura, and future first-round draft pick

I can go on if you want.

[TheManFromAcme]

House,

I am with you buddy. But can we at least get out of the Denver series before we beat our chests lest we forget Houston?

Last thing I need is pie in the face (or something worse ..) should we somehow get upset in this series.

I love the Lakers Doc but come on.........

[manufan10]

Baron Davis for Speedy Claxton and Dale Davis

Rasheed Wallace for Zeljko Rebraca, Bobby Sura, and future first-round draft pick

I can go on if you want.

[Phonzie20]

Why does this Laker fan (Dr House) feel the need to come to a Spurs board and spew things like this?

This is the definition of trolling. Oh well, if everyone can stomach him so be it.

[Allanon]

This is the definition of trolling. Oh well, if everyone can stomach him so be it.

Absolutely nothing wrong with trolling....90% of the people here in the NBA section are trolls; myself excluded since I never troll.

Dr. House has already pulled in 4 pages of fish; pretty amazing job.