Simmons on what the Spurs should do

[jag]

If you think the spurs have scoring problems now...

[timvp]

What kind of deal would you consider good for the spurs in a trading parker idea ?

It'd would have to be a lot of value in return. And the only scenario that makes sense to me is that if Ginobili isn't going to recover, then you might have to trade Parker to put enough talent around Duncan. If Ginobili is going to recover, then I wouldn't trade Parker.

But in a "replenish" type of trade a team would have to give something like Bosh, Calderon and sweetener or Oden, Fernandez, Batum and sweetener or Biedrins, Randolph, Wright and sweetener ... something like that. But again, I'd only start considering these trades if Manu's career is basically over and the alternative is Parker and Duncan struggling to win 50 games just to go out in the first round.

And really, if that scenario comes to fruition, a more logical rebuilding plan would be to keep Parker and see what you could get for Ginobili and Duncan. Ginobili for David Lee and filler and Duncan for Aldridge, Batum, Fernandez, Outlaw and filler

[Solid D]

I say trade Parker. He's prone to injuries like broken fingers and spraining ankles against Miami and some such.

[dbestpro]

Would you do Parker to the Clippers for the rights to Griffin and Davis? Griffin and Randolf play the same spot and the Clips are going to have a hard time unloading Randolf. With Parker they become an instant playoff team and the Spurs are still playoff caliber while adjusting their future to include another big for x years.

[timvp]

It'd would have to be a lot of value in return. And the only scenario that makes sense to me is that if Ginobili isn't going to recover, then you might have to trade Parker to put enough talent around Duncan. If Ginobili is going to recover, then I wouldn't trade Parker.

But in a "replenish" type of trade a team would have to give something like Bosh, Calderon and sweetener or Oden, Fernandez, Batum and sweetener or Biedrins, Randolph, Wright and sweetener ... something like that. But again, I'd only start considering these trades if Manu's career is basically over and the alternative is Parker and Duncan struggling to win 50 games just to go out in the first round.

And really, if that scenario comes to fruition, a more logical rebuilding plan would be to keep Parker and see what you could get for Ginobili and Duncan. Ginobili for David Lee and filler and Duncan for Aldridge, Batum, Fernandez, Outlaw and filler

I need to stop posting from this fishing boat

[Duncan2177]

I would trade Parker for Wade,LeBron or Kobe but not for Foye, This Simmons dude is a crack monkey, Parker will not be traded.

[timvp]

Would you do Parker to the Clippers for the rights to Griffin and Davis? Griffin and Randolf play the same spot and the Clips are going to have a hard time unloading Randolf. With Parker they become an instant playoff team and the Spurs are still playoff caliber while adjusting their future to include another big for x years.

No way. Davis is broken down and will need a walker by the time the end of his contract rolls around. I wouldn't take Davis in a salary dump.

[Ocotillo]

Simmons needs to get a screen name and start posting trade ideas here. He makes as much sense as some of the trade proposals from some posters.

[Zocalo]

Simmons is completely obtuse.

[SenorSpur]

He (Simmons) made sense right up to the point where he uttered the words "I would".

[Solid D]

I need to stop posting from this fishing boat

[ducks]

trading tp might make sense after duncan and manu retire
and spurs can not get two other stars to play with him
then you trade tp for 2 stars and a lottery pick

[tav1]

Maybe Bayless, Outlaw and Pryzbilla would be better than Foye and a #6... i may get in the Minnesota thing with a 2010 first round pick too...

Simmons is underselling Parker.

The Blazers would rather give up Oden than Pryz. That I know.

[Obstructed_View]

I wouldn't trade Parker for anything less than a first round pick AND an established player with all-star caliber talent AND at least one solid role player. As good as he's been the past couple of years, there's no reason to think he's not going to get better.

[Bruno]

If Manu is done, the best thing to do is to make a push in the 2010 FA instead of trading Parker.

[DPG21920]

Today, you need a big 4 to be dominate (Celtics: Pierce, Garnett, Allen, Rondo, Lakers: Kobe, Odom, Pau, Bynum). Trading away TP would be a disaster because guard play imo is the most important aspect of the NBA and the Spurs have a top 5 talent.

Spurs need to add another piece, a big, to the Big 3. Trading TP only makes sense if you get 2 legit stars in return, but then, what would the team trading for Parker gain by doing so.

The only scenarios trading someone like Parker or Tim makes sense, is if the Spurs were rebuilding and a team in win now mode needed the piece to push them over the top.

[DPG21920]

If Manu is done, the best thing to do is to make a push in the 2010 FA instead of trading Parker.

This is the entire plan as of now, no? If Gino is not healthy, the Spurs will have the money to replace him in FA in 2010. I agree this is the course of action that should be taken IF Manu is not healthy.

Unless you get a no brainer for Manu, why trade him for pennies on the dollar when you could use the money to sign someone in FA that is better than the player you can trade him for.

[FromWayDowntown]

If this thread ever makes its way into Simmons' radar, I'm sure the citizens of San Antonio will again be blasted with something like "do they only write in crayon in San Antonio" or whatever Simmons unleashed a few years ago in response to criticism from Spurs' fans.

[Bukefal]

Trade parker? That is digging your own grave at this moment. REbuilding is good, focusing on young players is good, thats what spurs should focus on, to secure the future. They should build around Parker. Trade parker? No way! Simmons is crazy.

[DPG21920]

I hope it does find its way. So often people who are paid to do these jobs are wrong, and have no one to answer to. Nor do they fess up and say I was wrong; they flip-flop.

This is a message board and fans are not peers at ESPN, we do not have to be P.C. and we call out a stupid take when we see it.

[Bruno]

This is the entire plan as of now, no? If Gino is not healthy, the Spurs will have the money to replace him in FA in 2010.

Well, if Spurs want to be a contender in 09-10, they have to improve their supporting cast and they won't be able to do it without screwing their 2010 cap space.

Spurs have to decide this summer whether or not to stick with the 2010 plan and it isn't a easy choice.
If you improve the supporting cast and Ginobili isn't back at a good level, Spurs will be stuck with a non-contending team (Duncan + Parker + a solid supporting cast) without capspace in 2010 to improve the team.
If you stick with the 2010 plan, Spurs won't be a contender in 09-10 and if Manu is healthy, most of the 2010 capspace will be spend on Manu. In that case, Spurs will be stuck after 2010 with a non-contending team (big 3 + a poor supporting cast).

Whatever Spurs do this summer, they will take risks. Their choice will quite depend on how optimistic they are about Manu's recovery.

[DAF86]

I'll give Bill the benefit of the doubt and just assume that such ridiculous thoughts are the result of him drinking non-stop ever since the Celtics got eliminated.

I heard he has Argentine relatives.

[DAF86]

It'd would have to be a lot of value in return. And the only scenario that makes sense to me is that if Ginobili isn't going to recover, then you might have to trade Parker to put enough talent around Duncan. If Ginobili is going to recover, then I wouldn't trade Parker.

But in a "replenish" type of trade a team would have to give something like Bosh, Calderon and sweetener or Oden, Fernandez, Batum and sweetener or Biedrins, Randolph, Wright and sweetener ... something like that. But again, I'd only start considering these trades if Manu's career is basically over and the alternative is Parker and Duncan struggling to win 50 games just to go out in the first round.

And really, if that scenario comes to fruition, a more logical rebuilding plan would be to keep Parker and see what you could get for Ginobili and Duncan. Ginobili for David Lee and filler and Duncan for Aldridge, Batum, Fernandez, Outlaw and filler

Wow I never thought of that, would you guys do Bosh for Tony straight up?

[timvp]

If Manu is done, the best thing to do is to make a push in the 2010 FA instead of trading Parker.

After touching that stove so many times and getting burnt, I have no confidence that the Spurs could sign someone in the summer of 2010 that can replace Manu.


If Manu has gone Marciulionis and its downhill from here, I think it'd take something more drastic to get #5. I doubt "drastic" includes trading Parker ... but that door can't be sealed shut.

Just like if Manu has a rehab setback before the trade deadline, he'll have to be put on the block due to his enticing contract. Sucks but the loyalty has to be in the ring.

[timvp]

Wow I never thought of that, would you guys do Bosh for Tony straight up?

Not for a free-agent-to-be Bosh. And unlikely even for a re-signed Bosh. That wouldn't be a talent improvement, it'd just move the talent around.