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This is the only trade scenario that I would jump on. It would take a of a lot of talent to match Tony.
As for the quote, Simmons is talking out his ass.
This is the only trade scenario that I would jump on. It would take a of a lot of talent to match Tony.
As for the quote, Simmons is talking out his ass.
Why would Memphis do that?
Convenient how you completely missed the whole point of my post.(Hopefully my bolding it, proves useful)
My viewing Tony as not being a championship-level centerpiece, is not saying he's not a great player.
Tony was the second best point in the league this year and is, at a minimum, a top 3 point-guard in the league. And of the trio he's a part of (Paul, Parker, and Williams) he had the best individual year of them, by their own standards.
Well, if what I've posted deems me an asshole in your eyes, and a bong hit is the only cure, I'll choose to remain an asshole. (I gave that up about 8yrs. ago)maybe you should take a bong hit before you post. it helps rid the asshole within you.
So, If I'm an asshole...
I guess the response/dodge (and or complete lack of reading comprehension) you came back with, would be what I just dispensed of a few minutes ago.
parker will not go anywhere...ever! that simple
The Spurs need to focus on improving the supporting cast. They have the Big 3. Now if the Big 3 can't stay healthy, well, so long for the #5 hopes.
Dealing one of your top 3 players to improve your 4th best player doesn't seem that wise.
The Spurs need to bite the bullet next season and pay some lux tax. They should be able to pick up a quality player or two in a trade using their expiring contracts and they should be able to land a starter using their MLE (ie McDyess).
The problem is that will push them well over the luxury tax, ~5-7M to be exact if they trade and use the MLE. Not to mention the potential 3M pay out that is lost, that is asking the management to lose an extra 10M.
I personally do not care, but I can see how they might.
The only hope is for the big 3 to be healthy and for the Spurs FO to bring in upgrades and in-turn pay luxury tax.
The Spurs do not need just a minor upgrade, they need someone that could make the Spurs have a "big 4" along with some other role players.
Trading TP only works in 2 scenarios:
1) If the Spurs are in rebuilding mode
2) If they can get a superstar in return along with other solid role players
Problem is, that the Spurs are in win now mode so that cancels out #1. The second problem is that in #2 a team most interested in trading for TP would likely be on the brink of being a contender and if they have to gut their team to get TP, what good does that do them? That would be the only the Spurs would trade TP, so it seems so unrealistic.
yea i agree with the big 4....but its gonna take some getting lucky to do that...hopefully we can get a trade for some of our expiring contracts
No team has ever won an NBA champioship in the modern era where the point guard is the leading scorer for the team and does not average at least 9 apg.
Last edited by dbestpro; 05-21-2009 at 05:56 PM.
What does it matter if it is a pg, plenty of teams have won with a guard being their leading scorer.
It is clearly evident that Tim+Bonner+TP would be much better than Tim+Quality Big+Hill or Mason or the Bonner version of TP.
Some of our stat gurus should post our record last season against playoff teams. I'd bet it wasn't sterling. The pieces aroound our Big 3 simply aren't good enough to go further into the playoffs.
Like a mountain climber, we've hit a patch where we can't go forward and we can't go back. Gonna be stuck here for a while.
well there is always a first time....but if ginolbi is healthy TP wont have to score so much like he did this year
I don't know what cons utes "modern era" in your mind, but Isiah Thomas averaged 28 for the Pistons in the 1990 NBA Finals and won the Finals MVP. Chauncey Billups scoring average was about a point behind Rip Hamilton's in 2004 when they won it all and he got MVP. Tony averaged 19 and Tim averaged 20 in 2007. Bottom line...it helps tremendously to have a point guard that can score. Tony will be the leading scorer if the Spurs ever grab #5. After watching this up and down season and the series against the Mavs, it's clear that the reigns have been handed to Tony. He's our motor and we were practically held scoreless without him in the game. Letting go of him would be a HUGE mistake.
Last edited by TFloss32; 05-21-2009 at 02:16 PM.
What's really sad about this is that the Spurs have three solid players, and are now looking for bargains to fill out the rest of the roster. The best bargains are typically found in young players who haven't hit free agency yet, so developing your own players is the wise thing to do. The Spurs seem to be putting a lot of eggs into the free agent basket while leaning too heavily on vets at the expense of their young players. That just compounds a problem that's already near crippling.
There is no way around it; if the Spurs are to improve, they must be willing to delve deeper into the luxury tax than they have ever shown the propensity to do.
Or start developing some young talent and get use out of them before the bidding war.
How would they get that talent?
I'm sure Obstructed_View is talking about the talent we already have, but don't use. This is because Pop feels they aren't ready, they're playing in Europe or the older vets are taking up the majority of the minutes. I'd definitely like to see Ian, Malik and George in the regular rotation this year. It all depends on the future of Vaughn, Fin and Fab. Not sure what James Gist's situation will be...I wonder if he'll remain in Italy, play for Macabbi or come to SA. Who knows with Marcus Williams???
That is about as intelligent of an idea as MSNBC commentators explaining what the GOP should do.
Today.
Bill Simmons Mailbag
Q: Can you please explain your asinine trade suggestion from your 5/20 chat that the Spurs should throw away Duncan's last chance at a le by trading Tony Parker to Minnesota? I just want to make sure you're the dumbest writer on ESPN.com.
-- Anthony, El Paso, Texas
SG: Sure. I'll even go with Hubie Brown's second-person hypothetical tense for you.
OK, you're San Antonio. Your Duncan window is closing and so is your chance to contend. You're in NBA no-man's-land, a little like Utah from 1999-2002: 45-50 wins guaranteed, no real chance of contending, no way of getting better because they spent too many years picking at the bottom of the first round. So what do you do? You can't trade Duncan; he's an icon and has to finish his career in San Antonio. You can't get fair value for Ginobili because of his injuries and because he's an expiring contract. Your best trade chip is Parker, a good character guy coming off a career year. He's also your most replaceable guy: a gifted scorer who can't shoot 3s, isn't a traditional point guard and struggles to defend certain points. You only need to replace him with someone who can provide 80 percent of his numbers and you'll be OK. You also need to turn him into multiple pieces.
Now, you're Minnesota. You have three keepers: Al Jefferson, Kevin Love and Randy Foye. (Note: I still like Corey Brewer but let's see how he recovers from his ACL injury.) You are a joke of a franchise with an owner who has one of the poorest reputations in the league and a fan base that doesn't care, namely because you hire failed GMs and coaches, recycle them, then expect the fans to care. Jefferson could be the best guy on a contender, Love could be the third-best guy and Foye could be a starter or a sixth man. But you're not winning anything if that's your top three. Too young, not quite talented enough. You need to acquire an experienced blue-chipper who can show everyone else the way (shades of Ray Allen and KG in Boston). And you have no chance of landing a marquee free agent because NBA players want no part of Sota when they can play for a well-run franchise in a warm city. Thanks anyway.
So what do you do? You have to bowl someone over with a big-time offer. That's why you call San Antonio and say, "We'll give you Foye, our No. 6 pick and Brian Cardinal's 2010 expiring contract for Parker." Note: The deal can't work until July 1.
OK, you're San Antonio again. Foye is a scoring point guard like Parker (his January/February splits: 27 games, 19.3 PPG, 40 percent 3FG), he's four years younger, he's a quality 3-point shooter, he's on the books for cheap ($8.3 million combined in '10 and '11), and between Foye and George Hill, you have a shot of replacing nearly all of Parker's numbers. Plus, you're adding the sixth pick and some much-needed young blood (maybe swingman James Harden, power forward Jordan Hill or shooter Stephen Curry); you'd have $27 million of expiring deals (Cardinal, Bruce Bowen, Fabby Oberto, Kurt Thomas, Matt Bonner and Roger Mason) for a possible mega-trade during the season; and you're selling high on Parker, who will never have more value than he does right now. You're telling me that trade doesn't make sense?
(Well, it makes sense to everyone but Parker and Eva Longoria, who just read the last few paragraphs screaming, "Nooooooooo! Noooooooooooo!!!!!")
Look, the biggest mistake fading contenders make is not audibling near the end of the run, when they can turn an expensive chess piece into multiple guys and an infusion of young blood. The Celtics had a chance to deal Kevin McHale (just a tad past his prime) for Sam Perkins and Detlef Schrempf in the late '80s and wouldn't do it; they could have headed into the '90s with a nucleus of Reggie Lewis, Perkins, Schrempf, Danny Ainge, Robert Parish and Larry Bird. Instead, they played the loyalty card with McHale and made the fatal mistake of dealing Ainge for Joe Kleine and Easy Ed Pinckney. You should only be loyal to franchise guys in a 30-team league. Everyone else is expendable. That's how the Spurs should be thinking. If they want to breathe new life into the Duncan era, Parker is the play. Sincerely, the dumbest writer on ESPN.com.
*yawn*
I still think the Spurs could easily get more for Parker, even if I'm a homer.
No matter what the Spurs do, I will be wearing my silver and black next year and cheering..just like every year since 1980...GO SPURS GO!!
So who in here is Anthony from El Paso, Texas?
i just saw this while reading his mailbag. it's kind of intriguing if you think about it. i'm open for trading parker if the right deal comes along, anything it takes for the spurs to get duncan his fifth championship. this kind of makes sense ONLY if james harden is available at the sixth pick. he has the maturity, poise, talent, and commitment to defense to make an immediate contribution and possibly a franchise player in the future. i'm thinking a better version of courtney lee in the playoffs with the possibility of developing into a main option.
simmons is correct when he called out parker's weakness in 3pt shooting. i think he's a pull up jumper and a consistent 3pt shot away from cracking the top 2 PG spots. but i don't know if he will ever develop the two, it may be he already reached his ceiling. i can see him gaining a 3pt shot much later in his career when he can't get into the lanes anymore. of course all this talk is useless because popovich will never even entertain the idea. maybe after a third consecutive disappointing end in the playoffs will popovich believe a shakeup is needed.
pg don't win nba championships if they are your star. About the only one is magic..
I think it really depends on who the draft pick is.. if the draft pick is a dwight howard,stoudmire, type of player it makes since if it is darko then it sucks
getting rid of tony clear cap so you can get a big FA and if you dd a young top draft pick then you are better off.. but that draft pick better not be a bust
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