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I guess Hairston is the new player to enter in the category "has done well in some garbage time, so he is a great player".
He does around the rim, and anybody that's seen him play for the Spurs knows that.
I guess Hairston is the new player to enter in the category "has done well in some garbage time, so he is a great player".
Hairston played a great game(for a D-league role player) against Denver's rotation players, and Cleveland's rotation players..those are 2 of the final 4 teams remaining in the playoffs right now..
He has some flaws but I don't think that we could draft a better prospect in this draft unless we get Casspi. He knows the system, which immediately gives him a leg up on any other player we draft. TBQH, there are not really a lot of players in free agency that we can afford that are much better than him either.
But this is all speculation. We will see how far he has come as we move through the summer league and into training camp/preseason...assuming he comes back.
I guess your hyperbole pendulum just swings from one extreme to the other. Either he has no ability whatsoever, or he's an all-star. Simply suggesting that he's got some ability to score around the rim in the NBA doesn't mean he's a great player.
BTW, Roger Mason averaged 6.6 points, 1.6 rebounds and 1.8 assists while shooting 38 percent in the playoffs. How ing good does Hairston's offense need to be in order to be an improvement?
best thing about hariston is HE'S 22yrs old!!!!!!!!!!! dude's still a kid.
love this kid hope he comes back as the 12th ma next year and possibly move up to back up sg in 2010
Aside of garbage time and garbage games, Hairston has scored something like 10 points in NBA. He has for sure a "scoring ability"that Spurs could have used...
At this stage of his career, Hairston is a below average offensive NBA player.
We both know the true reason why you are pimping Hairston: you want to trash Pop and RC. After the pathetic showing by almost all Spurs' supporting cast against Mavs, they surely deserves to be blamed for some mistakes. However, trying to turn Spurs waiving Hairston in last April as a big deal is simply too much.
it was a big deal waiving him for williams who had no action all year, why not give hairston a shot when in sum games this year he was the first options over udoka
Because Williams was on his way to Minnesota ( most likely ), so they had to protect his rights. Neither of them would have played in the playoffs anyway. This way we can have them both for the camp. If we hadn't let Hairston go, we would have lost Williams.
At this stage of his career, Hairston is a below average everything NBA player. Nobody's arguing that. That said, one of the reasons he has so little NBA experience is because he got cut. Another is due to his only getting "garbage time and garbage minutes" once he was called up. I guess that's not anybody's fault though, because we'd just be "trashing" people by pointing it out.
All Hairston's numbers in D league suggest that he's got some "scoring ability". The only thing that's "for sure" is that you definitively stated he doesn't have any scoring ability, which is completely ludicrous no matter how you look at it, particularly since you yourself pointed out how little experience he has.
To spell it out for you: If Hairston had gotten some burn during the regular season, could he have possibly played better than Finley or Mason during the playoffs? Even if he's not scoring tons of points he's playing defense on the other end and grabbing rebounds, maybe even getting to the line on occasion. Combined with Hill having been entrusted the same way, could that energy have helped the Spurs beat the Mavericks?
I won't guess about your ulterior motives, but if I wanted to "trash" Pop and RC, I wouldn't have to "pimp" a player I didn't actually think had a chance to play. Someone pointed out that he could bring energy, rebounding, scoring ability and defensive tenacity, and you lamely locked on to one of those and incorrectly said he didn't have any.
The Spurs made 20 mistakes that all contributed to being completely overmatched by the Mavericks. Cutting Hairston and keeping Tolliver and Farmer is undeniably one of those mistakes. Since I was exactly right about who should have been kept, I'm not sure how your bringing it up does anything but strengthen my argument.
Probably not.To spell it out for you: If Hairston had gotten some burn during the regular season, could he have possibly played better than Finley or Mason during the playoffs?Since I was exactly right
Good one.
But not definitely. Thanks for the confirmation. He managed to do something Farmer and Tolliver couldn't do.
Eh, they all had their moments.
The Spurs' chances were gone when Manu went down. Pretending something could have been done about it is fun, I guess.
Hairston played some true NBA minutes and he didn't score well in these minutes.
You said that Hairston could have helped Spurs this year with his "scoring ability". I disagreed with that.
Hairston will maybe be a decent NBA offensive player down the road. If you had watched D-League games instead of sticking to boxscore, you would have noticed how his offensive game needed work.
Hairston would have been bad against Mavs. He wouldn't have helped Spurs.
Well, offense is quite a big part of the game....
And Hairston isn't really a good rebounder.
A reason why Spurs lost against Mavs is because Spurs keep Farmer over Hairston?
what you need to keep in mind:
Hairston is no longer a Spurs player. Spurs don't have any rights. he is a unrestricted FA this summer. THAT's what annoys me most. most people act as if he was just send back to the Toros and could be called whenever Spurs want. if a somehow smart team signs him this summer for some guaranteed bucks he will be gone for good. why should Malik want to stay with the Spurs, who showed so little commitment?
I would call this bad asset management by the Spurs FO. yes, there isn't a guarantee that Malik will ever be a legit NBA player. (I'm sure he will, but that's just my opinion). but any team needs to carry at least some prospects of that kind to keep the chance that one day one of them pans out. the scary thing about the Spurs is, that there isn't a single wing prospect on the roster, neither do the Spurs own rights for such a player and all tries in this department in the last years were totally lukewarm. M.Williams, Farmer, Richardson, Johnson, White, Sanders. all this hire and fire doesn't help much.
Malik wouldn't have been an expensive solution. he was their pick. why not just give such a player a 2 years contract at the min. and give him the chance to develop. roster spot management can also be done differently. stockpiling veterans doesn't help at some point and for sure doesn't help to build for the future. the consequence was the inferior showing of the Spurs supporting cast. I absolutel wouldn't claim that Malik would have changed that. this would be nonsense. but if the Spurs had been more foresightful 2 or 3 years ago, there might have been a young player on the roster, who could have helped. and in 2 years this player might have been Malik.
Last edited by mountainballer; 05-26-2009 at 04:32 AM.
He got pretty much a full season's salary for playing 15 games.why should Malik want to stay with the Spurs, who showed so little commitment?
Ultimately I think Williams got the nod over Hairston once it was decided Hill wasn't ready to play the point. You can disagree with the Spurs' judgment of Hill, but so what? I don't think it's a super huge deal either way -- if either player walks, there are others close enough to their respective play levels to replace them.
It isn't easy for teams to decide if/when they should give up on these marginal prospects. Teams are limited by the number of roster spots. The more you stick with a player, the better chances he has to become NBA material. The quicker you waive players, the more players you can try with the hope to find the diamond in the rough.
Spurs have been quite quick to waive these marginal prospects. I don't know if they could have turned one of these players into something good but none of these players has contributed at a NBA level so far.
Even if Hairston has been waived two times by Spurs this year, his year hasn't been affected at all by that. He played summer league, training camp with Spurs, D-League with Toros and a stint with Spurs. If he had stayed the whole year under contract with Spurs, his schedule would have been quite the same.
sure, but then he would be a RFA, wouldn't he? if yes, they more or less dumped the rights for him without any need.
I wasn't high on most of those wing prospects of the last years. but I really think Malik has more potential than any of them. there are quite a few guys you could see as role models for his potential NBA career. for example Mo Evans, DeShawn Stevenson, (who btw. both learned to shoot over the years). recently Dahntay Jones. I would even claim that Malik has more overall talent than this three. I would hate to see Malik leave this summer and then become a player like this three, if not even better.
great post couldn't agree more: tu
I agree that the criticizing of Hairston not having an outside shot is getting old. For Christ sakes, the best NBA player of all time *cough* Michael Jordan*cough* was a terrible outside shooter early in his career. How about a player closer to home named Tony Parker? He has only now just become a consistent outside shooter, and he doesn't even have a 3pt shot yet. Even Manu has just now become a very consistent 3pt shooter. There are many other players past and present that I could use as an example.
Some players are just not born shooters, but with hard work it can become better. However do we really need another 3pt chucker, don't we have enough players doing that now? The Spurs need more verity in their offense. Pop's have 4 guys hang out at the 3pt line with TD down low all by himself has just become way to easy for teams to defend.
Yes, of course if Pop made Malic live behind the 3pt line he would be a liability out there, but how about if the flashed him through the lane a few times. Malic has shown that he is a great finisher, and thats one of the strongest part of his game. I grantee he would draw attention from the defense and draw some defenders away from the basket for Timmy or whoever else. Not everyone has to be a 3pt specialist.
Also those that are questioning his defense. His current individual defense is very above average. He gave, Tay, and even LEbron a bit of trouble if I remember correctly. He does need to work on his team defense and rotations.(Although I still think he got the short end of the stick when he had to rotate over to kid because some other Spur left his man open.)
Have we spurs fans really become that spoiled from all the vets where we expect rookies to be fully developed on day 1? Why does it seem like some feel
Have we spurs fans really become that spoiled from always having vets where we expect our rookies to be fully developed from day 1? Why does it seem like some feel that in order for a player to be a contributing rotation player on our squad they have to play and be like an all-star caliber player? IS it really that bad to have players with different skills on our team instead of the redundancy we currently have? It's pretty much just a head scratcher for me.
Malic is still pretty raw and has alot to improve on, but cut the kid a little break. He has alot of upside and what he can currently do well now can help many of our teams needs.
Some sources said that he had signed a 2 years contract with Spurs. In all the case, Spurs take the risk to lose him when they waived him.
The waiving of Malik Hairston to sign Marcus Williams was a quite puzzling move. Either Spurs didn't really care about losing Hairston this summer or they were almost sure to keep Hairston for 09-10 even if he was a UFA.
yah i think hairston might have done a good job on terry
and give him some big game minutes
while hill was on barrea and bruce was giving howard on game long and just let dirk get his points
hairston will get better you can teach shooting they have one of the best shooting coaches in the league
would be a no brainer no bring him back but i hope he does come back for a guarnteed 2 or 3 year contract becuase i beleive he can be one of those 2nd round steals
If he was worth a three year guaranteed contract he would already be under contract with another team.
Why sign someone who is not ready for the NBA to a 3 year contract? No reason to commit $ and resources to a guy who needs work in becoming a role player. When Hairston is ready (hopefully in time for 2009-2010 season) he will get the guranteed contract and a chance to make the rotation.
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