Take a note, Kobe

[RsxPiimp]

To summarize:

1) To people that say the Lakers cast was worse than the Cavs in 05, 06 & 07, prove it. The numbers say that the cast were on par with each other with no huge noticeable difference in talent. .

We just did.

[DPG21920]

Why was Big Z an all star?

Why was Wally an all-star? Why was Mo Williams an all-star this year?

[stretch]

Jamaal Magloire played like an All-Star when he was an All-Star.

Big Z played like and All-Star when he was an All-Star.

Take that and let me shove it up your mom's .

you're a ing dumbass.

if playing like an all-star = playing marginally better than erick dampier in a conference that has virtually no centers, then i guess they met the criteria.

[TheNextGen]

We also forget the 2005 Lakers had Caron Butler, a player who became an all star once he got traded from LA.

So now you're syaing that the 2005 lakers we're good?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Why was Big Z an all star?

Because my dog could have made the Eastern all star team as a center during that time frame. Why do you think Duncan and Shaq nutted all over their Eastern finals opponent from 1999-2005?

[lefty]

Jordan is still the king.

Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Melo can all suck his .






End of thread.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

So now you're syaing that the 2005 lakers we're good?

No, I'm saying Lebron would do a heck of a lot better than Kobe did if he was given Caron Butler and Lamar Odom.

[DPG21920]

We just did.

Where? Show me the numbers. Counting All-stars from previous years does not count.

I posted the scoring numbers from the 3 best players on each team besides Lebron/Kobe and Lebron's team had more scoring by .1 point.

[RsxPiimp]

The least you could do if you are going to put up stats is to put up correct stats. In that 06 series, Odom averaged 19 points, 11 rebounds, and 4.9 assists against the Suns.

As for Kobe in their one elimination game in that 06 series, Kobe's teammates shot 32% from the field and 21% from three point range. I know Kobe quit on them in the second half, but look at what his teammates were giving him. No excuse for Kobe punking out, but it was clear his teammates weren't good back then.

In tonight's elimination game for the Cavs, LeBron's teammates shot 52% from the field and 56% from three point range. If you're going to talk about the supporting casts, then it's important to note that LeBron's supporting cast stepped up tonight while Kobe's supporting cast failed him in that 06 series against Phoenix that you brought up.

Good post JS.

[Allanon]

Got confused on the years, the year I was referencing was the Suns in 06, not 07.

Who cares if everyone knew the West was better. It is still not a fact that the Suns would have won. Was it likely? Maybe. But that is no different than saying it is likely that Kobe would not have had the heart to will the Cavs team to the finals in 07 over Detroit.

Exactly, we don't know, so let's leave what we don't know to the fortune tellers. We don't know what the Cavs/Suns/Kobe Cavs would have done.

In 07, LO averaged 19 and 13 with 2 assist. In 07, Big Z averaged 12.6 and 9.7 with under 1 assist in the playoffs. So there goes that.

Defense. Defense. Big Z not only put up numbers, he defended very well.

Odom had great numbers but so did Amare/Shawn Marion.

Going to All-Star appearances is a damn weak argument. Guys like Wally and Mo Williams are all-stars. All-Star means nothing, everyone who watches the NBA knows it is a watered down award.

Big Z was a legit All-Star in both 2003 and 2005 and arguably the best Center in the East.

[TheNextGen]

If his head coach was Phil Jackson, Lebron would be able to beat the 2006 Suns with that supporting cast.

TheNextGen just intentionally ignored him in order to help his argument......I can't believe he thought no one would notice it.

And I can see why they don't like odom, I agree he's more talented than anyone Lebron plays with, but if he was on the Suns I know his laziness and inconsistency would drive me up a wall.

i didnt intentioanlly do it. I just forgot him. I copy and pasted the list of guys that Banzai posted from your reply. Simple as that.

[RsxPiimp]

Where? Show me the numbers. Counting All-stars from previous years does not count.

I posted the scoring numbers from the 3 best players on each team besides Lebron/Kobe and Lebron's team had more scoring by .1 point.

Uhhm. I just said the Cavs were rated 4th overall on defensive efficiency that year (101.4). If you want proof, I suggest you visit 82games.com and Basketball-reference.com. Its not that hard to find.

[Allanon]

you're a ing dumbass.

if playing like an all-star = playing marginally better than erick dampier in a conference that has virtually no centers, then i guess they met the criteria.

Hahah, what a dumb- , STRETCHing the truth as usual.

Big Z was possibly the best/2nd best Center in the East during his All-Star years.

[TheNextGen]

Because my dog could have made the Eastern all star team as a center during that time frame. Why do you think Duncan and Shaq nutted all over their Eastern finals opponent from 1999-2005?

Thanks for the awesome reply. You helped prove my point. Eastern Conference sucked ass. Lebron wouldnt have gotten Kobe's 2005, 2006 and 2007 past the first round in the West.

Thanks.

[DPG21920]

Somehow, I do believe you dont understand the importance of defense. You keep insisting on their offense, when offense was not Cleveland's strongest suit. Cavs had a 101.4 rating efficiency in 06-07. (4th in the league).

Yes but defense is less about talent as it is about heart and effort. The Lakers teams, just like this year, have all the ability to defend when they want to.

It is up to your coach and leader to make sure you do it every night. That would be like saying Bruce Bowen has more talent than Odom because of defense thrown into consideration.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

i didnt intentioanlly do it. I just forgot him.

Whatever.

[TheNextGen]

Whatever.

like i said, i copy and pasted the names banzai wrote from your reply. Go check it out.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Thanks for the awesome reply. You helped prove my point. Eastern Conference sucked ass. Lebron wouldnt have gotten Kobe's 2005, 2006 and 2007 past the first round in the West.

Thanks.

So 1999-2005 = 2006-2007?

You should go see if the doctor has an lobotomy specials today.

[DPG21920]

Hahah, what a dumb- , STRETCHing the truth as usual.

Big Z was possibly the best/2nd best Center in the East during his All-Star years.

Just like you say the West had with out a doubt the best teams in this time frame, did they also have the best big men?

How good were the big men in the East during that time and look at today who is still around.

[TheNextGen]

Do you even know who coached that team? Do you know how many injuries that team had? Do you know how young that team was?

DoK thinks after a coach leaves, and 2/3 of your players dont come back, you're suppose to be awesome.

[TheNextGen]

So 1999-2005 = 2006-2007?

You should go see if the doctor has an lobotomy specials today.

lol..wtf does that even mean.

[DPG21920]

Do you even know who coached that team? Do you know how many injuries that team had? Do you know how young that team was?

Young? Lebron was in his 3rd and 4th year in the league and had to be a leader of a cast that got to a final over a tough Detroit team.


Kobe was missing the playoffs and being bounced by a weak ass Suns team when he was in his 10th and 11th year in the league and after he had rings.

[RsxPiimp]

Yes but defense is less about talent as it is about heart and effort. The Lakers teams, just like this year, have all the ability to defend when they want to.

It is up to your coach and leader to make sure you do it every night. That would be like saying Bruce Bowen has more talent the Odom because of defense thrown into consideration.

So its Phil Jackson and Kobe's fault that Luke Walton, Brian Cook,Aaron Mckie, Vujacic and Smush Parker lacks the ability to play defense and stop the # 1 Offensive rated team in the league?



Every know that LA's chances of beating the heavily favored Phoenix Suns are slim to none. Its a wonder LA took the series to 7 games.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Do you even know who coached that team?

Rudy T., a 2-time NBA champion. And yeah I know Kobe missed a lot of games towards the end of the season cause he thought he was too special to be on the court when his team lost.

[TheNextGen]

Young? Lebron was in his 3rd and 4th year in the league and had to be a leader of a cast that got to a final over a tough Detroit team.


Kobe was missing the playoffs and being bounced by a weak ass Suns team when he was in his 10th and 11th year in the league and after he had rings.

damn..your arguements are dumb as .