Take a note, Kobe

[JamStone]

Damn Jamstone laying down the law.

Excellent analysis

I told you I don't hate the Lakers. I get annoyed by Laker slappies.

I like the Lakers.

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Rasheed & Ben Wallace must have been in the West, eh dumb ?

The other Wallace "Brother"

Jermaine O' Neal

More I'm sure.

All of whom >>>>>> Big Z.

So much for being the best or second best center in the east.

GTFO

[baseline bum]

So what?

Lebron is better than Kobe right now. So what?

Lebron could very well get eliminated from the playoffs and Kobe is on the verge of making it to the Finals again. Isn't that more important than this current discussion?

Not when Laker, EDIT: make that Kobe fans spew bull about Kobe making it there by himself, refusing to acknowledge he plays with the best supporting cast in the league.

[Ghazi]

I compared Lebron v Kobe shooting stats about a few months ago (not on this site), Kobe had a better shooting %.

[IronMexican]

Is this abother LeBron vs Kobe thread? What the were you thinking, bb? We haven't had one of these in a couple months, and you do this to us.

[DPG21920]

It started out as one argument then spawned into 10. Then Allanon bandwagons onto other fans resorting to calling arguments re ed when they run out of things to refute.

[Allanon]

Show me when the Suns were a good team that they had JJ coming off the bench, so in other words, not the 2003-2004 season when they won 29 games and he came off the bench 5 times.

Hahah, there's the flip-flop again.

[Allanon]

It started out as one argument then spawned into 10. Then Allanon bandwagons onto other fans resorting to calling arguments re ed when they run out of things to refute.

Just pointing out what other posters already know about DPG arguments.

[Allanon]

All of whom >>>>>> Big Z.

So much for being the best or second best center in the east.

GTFO

What? All of a sudden there ARE other good Centers in the East when you get owned? Not just pansy Centers?

Hahah, typical Mavfan only watches his Beloved Mavs and don't know about the rest. What a dumb

[DPG21920]

Just pointing out what other posters already know about DPG arguments.

Out of all the posters on the board that are known for re ed "75 win ecstasy" type posts, I am no where near the top of the list. No one was able to disprove anything I said.

In fact, I can go back to posts of mine where Laker fans were stroking me before I got tired of their bs and started calling them out. You included. If I am re ed and you steal my jokes and lie about stuff, what does that make you?

Join Date.

[Allanon]

You know that argument is completely re ed bull , if the 2007 Suns got to avoid the Spurs like the 2006 Suns, they would have won a championship. Stop acting like in rain man where you are unable to read between the lines at all.

You contradict yourself so much DoK, that's why people say you flip-flop.

1) 2006 WCF Suns were not good
2) 2007 2nd Round Suns were good

[Allanon]

Out of all the posters on the board that are known for re ed "75 win ecstasy" type post, I am no where near the top of the list. No one was able to disprove anything I said.

Join Date.

Ron Artest did not get hit in the throat.

[baseline bum]

You contradict yourself so much DoK, that's why people say you flip-flop.

1) 2006 WCF Suns were not good
2) 2007 2nd Round Suns were good

Do you see a difference in the 2006 and the 2007 Suns?

[DPG21920]

Ron Artest did not get hit in the throat.

He also did not get hit in the nutz. Upper chest/lower throat.

[Allanon]

Do you see a difference in the 2006 and the 2007 Suns?

Yes, there were differences.

Were the 2006 Suns a good team?

[Allanon]

He also did not get hit in the nutz. Upper chest/lower throat.

Upper chest? Yes

Lower throat? No.

Anything with the word "throat"? Fail.

Ask Stu.

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What? All of a sudden there ARE other good Centers in the East when you get owned? Not just pansy Centers?

Hahah, typical Mavfan only watches his Beloved Mavs and don't know about the rest. What a dumb

I simply said they were better than Z. And they are. Doesn't make them great centers. Not to mention that Sheed and O'Neal are both PFs. And Ben Wallace had a hard time making all-star games because he wasn't a scorer, though it doesn't mean he wasn't a good player. Oh, and if you check out how Z did in his games against Detroit that year... not very good at all... So how about you know what the you are talking about first, face? Maybe if you pulled your mouth off Kobe's for a whopping 2 seconds, you would be able to see the light.

[Allanon]

I simply said they were better than Z. And they are. Doesn't make them great centers. Not to mention that Sheed and O'Neal are both PFs. And Ben Wallace had a hard time making all-star games because he wasn't a scorer, though it doesn't mean he wasn't a good player. Oh, and if you check out how Z did in his games against Detroit that year... not very good at all...

And what does this have to do with Big Z being an All Star Center? He was. Best Kobe could get was a team of Lamar/Smush/Kwame and Luke. Smush isn't even in the NBA anymore and Kwame is pretty close.

So how about you know what the you are talking about first, face? Maybe if you pulled your mouth off Kobe's for a whopping 2 seconds, you would be able to see the light.

What? Your mom likes to suck my big black ? She guzzles too.

[DPG21920]

Where? Show me the numbers. Counting All-stars from previous years does not count.

I posted the scoring numbers from the 3 best players on each team besides Lebron/Kobe and Lebron's team had more scoring by .1 point.

Yes but defense is less about talent as it is about heart and effort. The Lakers teams, just like this year, have all the ability to defend when they want to.

It is up to your coach and leader to make sure you do it every night. That would be like saying Bruce Bowen has more talent than Odom because of defense thrown into consideration.

Just like you say the West had with out a doubt the best teams in this time frame, did they also have the best big men?

How good were the big men in the East during that time and look at today who is still around.

Young? Lebron was in his 3rd and 4th year in the league and had to be a leader of a cast that got to a final over a tough Detroit team.


Kobe was missing the playoffs and being bounced by a weak ass Suns team when he was in his 10th and 11th year in the league and after he had rings.

What was Cleavland's chances of beating Detroit?

How is this stupid and why do the Suns all of the sudden get so much credit?

If in 2006, the Suns took what you are all claiming to be the worst team in history in the Lakers to 7 games, then took the Clippers to 7 games the next series, then got bounced by their only tough opponent in the Mavs, how are they so good?

You cannot talk out of both sides of your mouth and say the Suns were so amazing and the Lakers were so terrible, but the series went to 7 games.

I give you numbers and you say " you are only looking at offense". You then give me defensive numbers and I say "offense has more to do with talent, defense has more to do with effort, hence the Bruce Bowen vs Odom argument".

Then you say you gave me numbers. I gave you numbers that coincide with talent, you give me numbers that I disprove as somewhat inappropriate for the talent argument.

Defense is about effort, and Lebron's teams gave more effort. I stopped at 4 players because just like everyone talks about Big 3's now when they assess a teams chances to win, those are the guys doing the bulk of the heavy lifting.

Yes, Lebron's stats in game 4 were bad, but at least he did come out and shoot. Not to mention, that is not apples to apples. Lebron was about to get swept. I would be willing to bet that if it was a game 7, Lebron would have fared much better and put much more effort in.

"Strangely, though, Bryant's will to keep shooting didn't last much longer, bringing a muted close to his prolific season. The Ocho attempted just three shots in the second half after ringing up 23 points in the first, in what looked su iously like a surrender. Jackson and Bryant both insisted afterward that they were in accord with the second-half approach -- that another 50-point game, as Kobe submitted in Game 6, was not going to save them here -- but it was one more dose of bizarre in a series that had everything."

Um, no, they went to game 7 twice. No wonder you think my arguments are dumb, you are a re .

Let me outline this in short-bus, easy to understand fashion for you:

1) Celts went to game 7's twice
2) Celts went on to win a le, the Suns did not, they got bounced by a choking Mavs team.
3) The Suns went to game 7's with "the worst team ever" in the Lakers and the CLIPPERS
4) The Celts went to game 7 with a strong Hawks team and against a Lebron Cavs team.


Not even close to an accurate comparison or analogy.

Like I said, it was fluke of a Clippers team, the worlds worst team in the Lakers and Dallas team that was talented, but not nearly as talented as many other champion teams.

Me saying they were weak was obviously tongue-in-cheek. They were a good team but far from this juggernaut that Lakers fans are making them out to be in order to support their argument.

There are the arguments nice and neat. Show me why they are wrong.

[DPG21920]

Upper chest? Yes

Lower throat? No.

Anything with the word "throat"? Fail.

Ask Stu.

Has Stu ever made a mistake in his job?

[Allanon]

Has Stu ever made a mistake in his job?

You're a disgrace. Putting down the Spurs just to prove your own personal point.

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either way, this discussion is stupid. Lebron's team and Kobe's teams back then were both quite bad. Whomever's team was worse, is entirely up to the opinion of the person looking at it, but they both sucked . Lebron did get farther in a weaker conference, although convincingly beat a team that was superior to any team Kobe faced, and was along with the spurs, the next teams considered the favorite to win it all, after the Mavericks were bounced. then again, basketball is a game of matchups, and even though detroit was a better team, they were also a better matchup for the Cavs than the Suns were for the Lakers. those are all the facts. take em or leave em.

[Ghazi]

Everyone B mature

[Allanon]

either way, this discussion is stupid. Lebron's team and Kobe's teams back then were both quite bad. Whomever's team was worse, is entirely up to the opinion of the person looking at it, but they both sucked . Lebron did get farther in a weaker conference

Smartest stretch post ever.

Although LeBron's team wasn't bad, just not good enough to win the Championship. Kobe's team was good enough to make the Playoffs...that's it.

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And what does this have to do with Big Z being an All Star Center? He was. Best Kobe could get was a team of Lamar/Smush/Kwame and Luke. Smush isn't even in the NBA anymore and Kwame is pretty close.

And my point is that being selected as an All-Star is often an overrated accomplishment (All-Stars are selected based on scoring and popularity). Especially in the East, a conference devoid of quality centers.

I like to suck black . I guzzle too.

gross.