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    37 actually isn't too bad. If the Spurs had a pick at the end of the first round, there's a decent chance they would have traded it to save money in 2010. With 37 you can take an international player with a bad contract, you can trade up or you can take a domestic talent and give him a one-year audition.

    At 37, it'll have to be best player available but it'd be nice to get a swingman. Having that drafted swingman compete with Hairston and Williams for a spot in the rotation could be a good plan.
    There are several intriguing Euro PF/SFs available aroung that spot depending on how the draft goes. Drasic, Jer (the swedish guy) and Casspi. We ought to get one of them.

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    ok this is the best thing the spurs can do to get young and talented gems in the second round with the 37 pick draft draft victor claver great size could play pf/sf,with the 51 pick danny green or damion james but preferably danny green both can make impact,and with the 53 pick greivis vasquez can shoot 3's and drive in the lane to kinda reminds me of manu ginobili,and last but not least should buy or trade a player to get a 1st round pick from Oklahoma City Thunder (#25), Minnesota Timberwolves (#28) and New Orleans Hornets (#21 either one so they could secure a 1st round pick for omri casspi since he wants to be picked in the 1st round.With all those players they can make impact and we would turn into one of the youngest and fastests rosters.And some can replace the big 3 when they get older.
    victor claver 37 http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Victor-Claver-336/
    danny greene 51 http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Danny-Green-504/
    damion james51 http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Damion-James-1074/
    greivis vasquez 53 http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...-Vasquez-1133/
    omri casspi 1st round pick http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Omri-Casspi-538/
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    Just as an aside, for a draft class that is supposedly "not very deep," there sure do seem to be a lot of intriguing prospects out there that could fall into the second round. Forget conventional wisdom, if the Spurs do their scouting, they might be able to find a couple players that fit really well.

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    ok this is the best thing the spurs can do to get young and talented gems in the second round with the 37 pick draft draft victor claver great size could play pf/sf,with the 51 pick danny green or damion james but preferably danny green both can make impact,and with the 53 pick greivis vasquez can shoot 3's and drive in the lane to kinda reminds me of manu ginobili,and last but not least should buy or trade a player to get a 1st round pick from Oklahoma City Thunder (#25), Minnesota Timberwolves (#28) and New Orleans Hornets (#21 either one so they could secure a 1st round pick for omri casspi since he wants to be picked in the 1st round.With all those players they can make impact and we would turn into one of the youngest and fastests rosters.And some can replace the big 3 when they get older.
    victor claver 37 http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Victor-Claver-336/
    danny greene 51 http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Danny-Green-504/
    damion james51 http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Damion-James-1074/
    greivis vasquez 53 http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...-Vasquez-1133/
    omri casspi 1st round pick http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Omri-Casspi-538/
    Claver just re signed for 3 years in Spain.
    Green will be a late 1st rounder or high 2nd rounder.
    James won't bring in what also Gist does and Gist has more upside
    Vasquez is a nice option for the later picks.
    so, in the current situation Green with #37 and Vasquez with #51 would be the best case considering your list.

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    The draft combine start on Thursday. We should have all the measurement results early next week.

    The participant list :
    http://www.nba.com/jazz/news/2009draft_combinelist.html

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    Beaubois and Casspi are the only Euro guys. that's a bit disappointing, I would have been very interesting how for example Macvan in fact measures. or Dasic and Jerebko.
    Casspi in comparison to the college kids will be interesting. he is pretty athletic, but can he compete with athletes like Earl Clark, Sam Young and Tyler Smith?

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    Beaubois and Casspi are the only Euro guys. that's a bit disappointing, I would have been very interesting how for example Macvan in fact measures. or Dasic and Jerebko.
    Jerebko and Dasic have been measured last year at the Treviso camp:
    http://www.nbadraft.net/node/1113

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    Jerebko and Dasic have been measured last year at the Treviso camp:
    http://www.nbadraft.net/node/1113
    great, thanks. (sometimes it's a mistake to ignore nbadraft.net)
    either Dasic and Jerebko measured quite impressive. Jerebko even better than I would have expected. so both would be listed in the NBA at 6'10''. and they both have a standing reach of 9' and slightly under 7' wingspan. that's very good for a SF, especially since both would likely get more of a defensive role in the NBA.

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    Nice, it comes fast this year.

    With Casspi, Jerebko and Dasic, Spurs have 3 euro options for the SF spot at 6'9" or more.
    OTOH, Sam Young, Danny Green and Tyler Smith are quite small.

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    Dejuan Blair with the 7'2 wingspan and 8'10.5 standing reach...at only 6'6.5.

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    Nice, it comes fast this year.

    With Casspi, Jerebko and Dasic, Spurs have 3 euro options for the SF spot at 6'9" or more.
    OTOH, Sam Young, Danny Green and Tyler Smith are quite small.
    I don't think Young would have a lot of problems guarding bigger players at the next level. Though Casspi is taller, Young has the better wingspan and their standing reach is pretty close.

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    http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtop...7176#p19647176

    I'm going to post a DX article later about it (or Jonathan will), but it's worth noting that they measured everyone ultra early (6:30 am or something), and that the guys who measured both this year and last year are measuring out a half inch taller this year (if you measure later in the day your spine compresses and you lose a little height).
    I guess the right way to compare these measurement to previous years ones is to remove .5" to this year ones.

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    What’s the Point?

    Everyone is pretty upbeat about the Combine, but one constant question from many of the people here, including the players, is what’s the point of holding a Combine without scimmages? You can only learn so much from watching guys run around cones.

    I just bumped into Omri Casspi again and he echoed the familiar sentiment. “I’d rather play one-on-one or three-on-three,” he commented. Why not a full-on five-on-five scrimmage? “The problem is that everyone is trying to prove themselves. If we played five-on-five, some guys wouldn’t pass.”

    When you get this many people together the conversation can go in a lot of directions. It’s striking that so many conversations are about how guys fared in interviews and not necessarily about how they drilled.

    Don’t get me wrong. There is plenty of talk about drill times, vertical leaps, and all that. Danny Green, for example, measured longer than expected. Luke Harangody, who outbenched everyone here, is being called Matt Bonner with muscle. DeJuan Blair is short. Terrance Williams can really jump. DeMar DeRozan looks fluid. You hear these things. (Green, by the way, worked out for San Antonio and Harangody interviewed with them last night.)

    But you also hear plenty of stuff about how players carry themselves, how they account for past mistakes, whether or not they can maintain a conversation without texting. Teams take notes. A well-connected source who had read my recent post about Vladimir Dasic pulled me aside to say that many teams wouldn’t touch him because he was “not all there.” Otherwise, I was told, he’d project much higher. Too much risk.

    Still, for as helpful as interviews and psychological profiles and reliable measurements can be, almost everyone here would just rather play.



    http://www.48minutesof .com/2009/...ats-the-point/
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    Sam Young, Danny Green and Tyler Smith are quite small.
    It might just be a matter of perception.

    Jerry Stackhouse and Vince Carter measured 6' 4.5" and 6' 5.5"(without shoes) respectively.

    I think too often we see a 2-guard and think 6' 6" or a center and think 6' 11"/7', but it's usually an inflated number that we've just come to accept.

    If you follow that link I left for the pre-draft measurements and look at the history, you might find it a little bit easier to get a better point of reference.

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    Dejuan Blair with the 7'2 wingspan and 8'10.5 standing reach...at only 6'6.5.
    Yeah, I knew he had long arms but that was pretty eye-opening.

    Summers' measurements were also pretty impressive.

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    What’s the Point?

    Everyone is pretty upbeat about the Combine, but one constant question from many of the people here, including the players, is what’s the point of holding a Combine without scimmages? You can only learn so much from watching guys run around cones.

    I just bumped into Omri Casspi again and he echoed the familiar sentiment. “I’d rather play one-on-one or three-on-three,” he commented. Why not a full-on five-on-five scrimmage? “The problem is that everyone is trying to prove themselves. If we played five-on-five, some guys wouldn’t pass.”

    When you get this many people together the conversation can go in a lot of directions. It’s striking that so many conversations are about how guys fared in interviews and not necessarily about how they drilled.

    Don’t get me wrong. There is plenty of talk about drill times, vertical leaps, and all that. Danny Green, for example, measured longer than expected. Luke Harangody, who outbenched everyone here, is being called Matt Bonner with muscle. DeJuan Blair is short. Terrance Williams can really jump. DeMar DeRozan looks fluid. You hear these things. (Green, by the way, worked out for San Antonio and Harangody interviewed with them last night.)

    But you also hear plenty of stuff about how players carry themselves, how they account for past mistakes, whether or not they can maintain a conversation without texting. Teams take notes. A well-connected source who had read my recent post about Vladimir Dasic pulled me aside to say that many teams wouldn’t touch him because he was “not all there.” Otherwise, I was told, he’d project much higher. Too much risk.

    Still, for as helpful as interviews and psychological profiles and reliable measurements can be, almost everyone here would just rather play.



    http://www.48minutesof .com/2009/...ats-the-point/
    "not all there" could easily be misdirection to start a rumor about his character if you really want the guy.

    I say that if he could project much higher take him and worry about there not being any there, there later.

    As I recall, Rodman wasn't all there either but the guy could ball. At least This kid doesnt project as though he's an alien from Alderan.

    At this level of the draft, you draft and pray anyway.

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    Dejuan Blair with the 7'2 wingspan and 8'10.5 standing reach...at only 6'6.5.
    He is actually Romain Sato in a Blair suit, back for another shot at the draft.

    Size matters no matter how long your arms are.

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    Athletic testing results are now available:

    http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/

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    Luke Harangody is one strong white boy. Green's bench was pretty impressive too for him being only 208.

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    Dante Cunningham....6'8, 227lbs, 4.8% body fat. Dude is friggin ripped.

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    Green's bench was pretty impressive too for him being only 208.
    yes, but I think Green's sprint and agility time are a bit disappointing, considering he is expected to become a defensive stopper in the NBA.

    very impressive overall was Derrick Brown. grood size for a SF (if he can play SF of course), fantastic wingspan, good sprint and leaping ability and better than most bigs on the bench.

    the other pretty surprising player was Pendergraph. nice size for a PF and pretty good athletic numbers. especially his sprint time was fantastic for a big man. not bad for a guy who was usually labeled as just average athlete.

    and Hansgrough's numbers also were not bad for an "undersized, unatheltic, white stiff". I think the predraft combine will help his stock a lot. he should climb to mid first round.
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    yes, but I think Green's sprint and agility time are a bit disappointing, considering he is expected to become a defensive stopper in the NBA.
    Yeah...not great but not really horrible either. Sam Young is said to be a good defender also but scored pretty low. Defensive instincts play just as big of a role. All things considered he still isn't a bad second round prospect.

    A real surprising one is Joe Ingles. His lane agility test is as good or better then a lot of the guards. DX has us taking him with our last pick. If he is as mobile as the test shows then I agree with them.
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    and Hansgrough's numbers also were not bad for an "undersized, unatheltic, white stiff". I think the predraft combine will help his stock a lot. he should climb to mid first round.
    I noticed this too. Very solid numbers for a player his size. His speed drills were almost identical to Budinger's...who is almost 30lbs lighter than him. He is strong too with 18 reps on the bench.

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