Why do you care about Kobe Bryant or Laker fans?
Is your team still in the playoffs? Is your team going to play LAL in the Finals?
Kobe's on the decline and it's evident that Lakerfan is becoming increasingly sensitive to this subject. They're doing everything they can to hold on to "Kobe the best player in the league."
He's no longer the best, so now they call him "the best closer."
It's getting pathetic really.
Ah, change the subject mother er. So is that the white flag? This thread is specifically about Kobe vs LeBron in elimination games, and then Duncan was added by request from a Lakerfan.
Kobe >>> Duncan in not allowing his team to be put in a elimination game in the first place.
Duncan has put his team in that position 13 times to Kobe's 6.
And it doesn't even matter just as most the posts by Baseline. Just pure garbage stats in trying to find someway to demean Kobe. Nothing more than insecure jealosy from an ignorant moron.
And if and when the Lakers win... you will see posts like... couldnt do it without Gasol, or LBJ had better numbers losing in the conference finals, or MJ still has 6 rings. He will come up with anything to misdirect the attention from the hardon he gets thinking about Kobe.
Why do you care so much baseline? Answer the question.
You're a Spur fan. Your team is not in the playoffs anymore. Kobe Bryant and the Lakers have absolutely nothing to do with the team you root for. Why do you care so much? Why do you devote so much of your own life to hating a player who really has nothing to do with the Spurs at all?
Kobe has ed up a lot in his career, but he has never led the Lakers to a 1st round exit to the ING DALLAS MAVERICKS IN DISGUSTING 4-1 FASHION LOSING THE SERIES ON HIS HOME ING FLOOR.
You can't refute the point which is airtight, so you resort to namecalling.White flag from you too I see. It's pretty hard to get more than 6 elimination games when you lose all but one of them.
I like the NBA first, Spurs second. I also hate seeing you ignorant Laker fans ripping LeBron for his teammates not showing up the same way you used to rip Duncan. Especially when you come up with revisionist history like Kobe didn't get any support in the Denver series, that his cast was dog last year, and so on.
grab some tampons you vagina. you are emo.
Well your boys did it!!!!! Thanks for making the point. Your team, as your own stats show, have been in more than double(13) the Lakers and lost 2 more.You can't refute the point which is airtight, so you resort to namecalling.
There's the bag Jacko we're all used to, who cries like a 12 year-old because his logical capacities are those of an 8 year-old.
So 1-5 > 6-7. Gotcha.
14 > 4
Lakers OWN Spurs in the playoffs
Spurs = DONE. NO MORE RINGS.
Lakers = NEW DYNASTY FORMING AGAIN.
Spur Fan = Pathetic loser with no life other than desperately trying to find ways to chip at Kobe because his own team is so pathetic they aren't worth talking about anymore.
Laker Fan = Laughing his ass off at how pathetic Kobe Hater Spur fans are.
Never realized Kobe won 14 rings. By himself, right? Just like this whole playoffs?
Comparing statistics from this year to last year.
2008-13 games played
Field Goals Made/Attempted 113/275 .411%
Free Throws Made/Attempted 122/167 .731%
2009-13 games played so far
Field Goals Made/Attempted 151/292 .517%
Free Throws Made/Attempted 142/188 .755%
Now LeBron is attempting 1.6 more FT's per game in 2009 compared to 2008. Add 10 more shot attempts (1.6 close enough to 2 free throws, so 10 missed shots) and LeBron is shooting exactly 50%.
He is shooting much better these playoffs than the year 2008. I haven't got a series against Orlando from 2008 to compare just that series against so we have to look at the whole playoffs.
Yes. Unless of course you dont think being taken to an elimination game a bad thing. It tells me the spurs let themselves get taken to that point a lot more and pulled out some that were not even supposed to get there. It tells me the Lakers took better care of business earlier in the series and didnt get to an elimination. Would you not say that a team that swept all four rounds would be superior to one that won all four rounds in 7th games? They both won the le but one had 4 elimination games. The other cruised.
Its all BS anyway just like the majority of your posts. You just try to diminish the Lakers accomplishments by finding obsecure BS stats that really do nothing but show your hatred and jealosy. Fact is, the Lakers are in the Finals and have a chance for #15 and your team is sitting home with 0 chance of #5. You can hate all you want, we will just party!!!!!!!
I'm still trying to get an explanation as to how LeBron has been "excellent" in all elimination games he's played in but 1. Can someone tell me how he was excellent in game 7 of the 2006 playoff series against Detroit?
I rather be in only 6 elimination games then in 13. Thats for sure.
also..who cares about elimination game stats. The more games you play, the more it shows that you cant finish your opponent right away.
Actually Kobe has been in 11 elimination games in his career. Kobe haters only want to talk about Kobe without Shaq, yet baseline bum adds two elimination games "with" Shaq to skew even more his already skewed argument. Without Shaq, Kobe is 1 and 3 in four elimination games in the last four post seasons. He's really only played poorly in one of them.
Kobe actually was playing well in game 7 of the 06 Phoenix series when he quit on his team in the second half. He played poorly in the 07 Phoenix series but still dropped 34 points on horrible shooting. He didn't play well last year in game 6 of the NBA Finals but that game was over before it even started. When a team routs another team by that much and that early, you can't really take anything significant from looking at individual performances by the losing team. The whole team had to have sucked and trying to climb out of a huge deficit is going to lead to bad performances. And, while he didn't shoot the ball well, he played a good all around game in game 7 last series against the Rockets.
this whole elimination game argument is dumb
Um, what? I don't get this point at all. It would make sense if the Lakers had actually won a decent percentage of some of those games, but right now your argument basically says it's better to lose game 5 with a 3-1 deficit than to win games 5 and 6 force a game 7 from down 3-1. LMAO that you want to talk about the Spurs getting taken to elimination games that they shouldn't have when Kobe needed to go to 7 to beat a weak Houston team missing its two best players and blew a 3-1 series lead to Phoenix minus its second-best player.
I only included elimination games since Kobe has taken over as option #1, but, since I'm being called out for them, if you include the ones he rode Shaq's coattails Kobe is 4-8 in elimination games. (Losses to Utah in 97 and 98, SA in 99, wins over Sac in 00, Portland in 00, and Sac in 02). So now the argument is going to be 4-8 > 6-7 ?
Last edited by baseline bum; 05-30-2009 at 01:24 PM.
My argument was strictly about since Kobe became the #1 option: the player carrying the team, which he obviously took over in 2002-03 with Shaq sitting out and getting his surgery on "company time" to begin the season. That looks like 3 crappy games out of 4 if you count Houston game 7 as a good showing.
LeBron is 1-3 in elimination games and yet you are touting him for being "excellent" in elimination games.
To be fair, I think I'll include Kobe's record and stats "since he took over as the #1 option" in close out games in the playoffs, where the Lakers had the opportunity to win a playoff series.I only included elimination games since Kobe has taken over as option #1, but, since I'm being called out for them, if you include the ones he rode Shaq's coattails Kobe is 4-9 in elimination games. (Losses to Utah in 97 and 98, SA in 99, wins over Sac in 00, Portland in 00, and Sac in 02). So now the argument is going to be 4-9 > 6-7 ?
Since (and including) the 2003 playoffs, Kobe is averaging 31.2 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 5.5 apg, on 49.9% FG shooting in 15 playoff series close out games, and the Lakers' record in those games is 10-5. These stats and record includes the three games lost in 2006 against the Phoenix Suns when the Lakers were up 3-1 and lost the last three games.
A lot of times, when a team is in an elimination game, they are playing a team that is as good or better than them. , Michael Jordan was 4-9 in playoff elimination games. Kobe hasn't done really well in elimination games in terms of winning those games. That's most players. When teams are on the brink of elimination unless it's a game 7, it's against a good team that's playing well.
But, with all this Kobe bashing, I think it's fair to also show why Kobe is consider such a cold blooded killer. Look how well he plays and how his play helps his team win in close-out games when it's time to shut the door on an opponent.
Last edited by JamStone; 05-30-2009 at 01:44 PM.
Then why is LeBron "excellent" in (you say three of four) elimination games when he's 1-3 in those games? Be consistent.
Kobe was having a very good game in game 7 of the 2006 when he got pissed at Phil Jackson for telling him to pass the ball more. 50% shooting from the field and the three point line and 24 points with hardly even shooting it in the second half. He quit on his team because he was pissed. Quitting doesn't mean he was having a crappy game. He got pissed at Phil and his teammates and quit on the team. Unacceptable, but not a crappy game for Kobe.
In game 5 of the 2007 Phoenix series, Kobe didn't shoot the ball well but he still put up 34 points. If LeBron did that, you'd applaud him for going down trying.
In the 2004 and 2008 NBA Finals, the last two games of those series (you did ignore game 5 of last year's Final where Kobe and the Lakers staved off elimination) were blow-outs. When a team beats another team like in those two games in the way they blew the Lakers out, you can't really look at individual performances on the losing team because the whole team sucked and they were playing catch up. But, fine, you can have those two games and say Kobe played crappy even though the whole team played like .
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