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Vick > Young
If they ran wildcat with VY and CJ in the backfield that would be awesome. CJ is a beast but yeah I see what your saying. VY didnt have for help BUT Collins did pretty good with what VY had. I just think with what they have they work better with a pocket QB and VY isnt very good at that. If you let him run and gun then yeah he is good but he isnt very smart. I had always read he was having a hard time learning the playbook and that is prob ultimatly why he kept ing up and got benched.
Vick > Young
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VY only got to play 1 game with Chris Johnson though. And keep in mind, Collins was total ing when VY took over a couple years ago and nearly led them out of an 0-4 hole that collins dug them into, to the playoffs.
but I agree that VY will never likely be a pure pocket passer. they would definitely have to adjust to fit his style more, and it hasn't been proven to work consistently in the NFL yet. then again, most running QBs have always had to deal with a crappy offense surrounding them for the most part. the one runner that was successful was Steve Young, and he had the luxury of learning from Joe and passing to Jerry Rice, along with a great offensive supporting cast.
I think the running QB style is tough for them because they always want to take off and run when they think they are in trouble without scrambling in the pocket then throwing. I think Mcnabb has done a good job, its amazing with some of the he has pulled off but he would scramble in the pocket and throw it and not try and get the 5 yards on the ground. Then again he has a better arm and accuracy and isnt as fast as the other running qb's. True he did bail out Collins, but then Collins bailed him out too. This year will be the make or break year for VY. If he even plays that is.
Exactly what metric does the NCAA have for "accuracy?" You mean completion percentage? That's not the same thing as accuracy. In the NCAA, if you have athletically superior receivers that get wide open, you can throw it in their general area and they'll catch it. In the NFL, frequently the ball has to be thrown within a narrow window of area and time to get it past the defenders. A QB can't simply evade tacklers long enough for receivers to break containment like VY could do in college.
It's a different skill set, and he doesn't have it and never did.
Steve Young also was smart enough to pass the bar exam, and could throw into a breadbox from 30 yards out.
Damn Vince, grow up and go get your job back. Stop whining already.
This is why the NFL needs a rookie pay scale. The ans almost have to play him because he makes so much money.
Whether or not you think VY's game has transferred well from college, he's already proven he can play in the NFL. He is NOT a backup. A lot of people seem to believe he's now incapable of playing football because of this "breakdown." Plus, his sprained knee was legit and it's easy to forget about a player's greatness when he's been out of the limelight for an entire season. The guy was Offensive ROY, a Pro Bowler, had some incredible come-from-behind wins (two of which were on the road against the 10-1 defending champion Colts and the future champion Giants when they were down 21-0) and took a less than decent Tennessee ans team to the playoffs with very little help...all in his first year. Who ever does that? You can talk all you want about how he's dumb, inaccurate or his lack of stats...but none of it can take away what's he's done with a full season under his belt. Kerry Collins will get the starting job in '09 simply because of what he did last season (even though the ans weren't peforming as well towards the end of the season and into the playoffs). Vince will need to move on if ans system doesn't play to his strengths (i.e. making him a pocket passer). I bet Houston would love to have a second shot at him. The Dolphins have proved already that you can alter a system to fit certain players and still be successful. I have no doubt he will be successful again. It just remains to be seen if it will be in a ans uniform.
Last edited by TFloss32; 06-02-2009 at 01:55 PM.
Mike Vick had a strong arm, even if he wasn't accurate. VY can't throw 30 yards down the field.
Whether or not you think VY's game has transferred well from college, he's already proven he can play in the NFL. He is NOT a backup
you need an * after pro bowler. Mother er was a third alternate, im my eyes he didnt make the pro bowl.
Seriously? Are you a butt hurt Sooners fan or something?
You're en led to believe that, yet it's the only thing you could highlight out of the very valid points I made. Dude beat both Mannings, had a better year than most (including fellow rookies Cutler and Leinart) with less talent AND made the playoffs. There's just simply no denying his ability. People also forget how young he is and that he came out early. He's played ONE season and he was nothing short of awesome. Do you automatically give up on Troy Aikman when goes 0-11 as a starter in 1989?
Last edited by TFloss32; 06-02-2009 at 02:14 PM.
I'm not a fan of any college football team except The Mighty UTSA Roadrunners.
I just calls'em like I sees'em.
that was really the only thing I read from your long post lol. Its hard for me to believe that HE beat them. His stats were mediocore. Trent Dilfer beat a crap load of teams with the mighty Bal def but that doesnt mean , he still sucks. VY road the coat tails of his def but I guess he was good enough to be a 3rd alternate for a pro bowl invite.
Yeah, I figured you didn't read it. He definitely didn't ride his defense man. He brought them back numerous times (especially in New York when they were down 21-0). The good D you're talking about was the '08 ans, not Vince's rookie year. And Steven...you're funny.
So what happened to him in 08? He started and fell apart and then was "injured" which i dont think was legit.
And that is where my issue lies with people saying Collins >>>>>>> VY, blah blah blah... because Vince only played one game. and he was 1-0. he got hurt, so Collins took over, and the team was undefeated by time VY was ready, so they figured they might as well just stick with him, keep the rhythm going. Unfortunately, that came back to bite them in the ass, as they realized how incapable Collins really is at making plays when things break down.
Well that game VY was losing till Collins came in and saved the day. I believe had VY stayed in that game the ans would have lost that game.
Are you being serious? He started one game in which he didn't complete because of a sprained knee. I guess my eyes were fooling me when he was rolling around in pain on the field in the first game of '08. And you don't throw him back in when Kerry Collins is undefeated as as starter that season, it makes no sense. Whether his "mental issues" are legit, I don't know. I'm not his psychologist/team doctor. This does not mean, however, that he's incapable of being a starting QB in the NFL, which was my original point. You're being waaaay too critical man. Do you secretly hate the Longhorns or ans?
Are you a butthurt Vince Young fan or something?
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