4000 dead military later, head admits HE LIED

[boutons_deux]

Never was any evidence of Saddam-WTC link.


http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/06/...evidence-iraq/

Waterboard this evil mother er for the rest of sorry life.

BoniVore, tell again how Saddam was tied to 9/11 and AQ?

[johnsmith]

If the great and powerful influences here at spurstalk can make it so Cheney is waterboarded for the rest of his life, will you kill yourself?

Otherwise, no deal.

[clambake]

everybody knows he lied.

even yoni.

[Wild Cobra]

Everyone know who pays attention, that it was never said by Cheney to be a connection of the two events. Nobody in the upper administration ever said Iraq was linked to 9/11. Only that Saddam had links to Al-Qaeda.

Big difference, and this has been pointed out in thread after thread of you ignorant s trying to say this.

Anyone know the theory of "Six Degrees of Separation?"

I guess we all have connections to 9/11 if you believe Cheney said Saddam did...

[clambake]

you'd have to be an "ignorant " to believe cheney.

[boutons_deux]

"Only that Saddam had links to Al-Qaeda."

thanks for admitting that, since Al Qaeda did WTC, qualifying for head's "1%" rule, and dubya's "fer us or agin us".

head lied, and he ran the entire torture program trying to get info that Saddam was linked to WTC, so as to justify invading Iraq for oil.

Quite a week for head, first "coming out" supporting gay marriage, and now admitting he lied about Saddam and WTC (and continued to lie well after dubay admitted publicly there was no link).

And of course, EVERY week is quite a week for Wild Cobra, shilling ridiculously for criminals.

[angrydude]

I thought we went into Iraq because of the supposed WMD's.

and the Al-Queda connection was just tacked on afterwards to justify staying there.

[Winehole23]

I thought we went into Iraq because of the supposed WMD's.

and the Al-Queda connection was just tacked on afterwards to justify staying there.

What's the justification now?

[Wild Cobra]

I thought we went into Iraq because of the supposed WMD's.

No. That was simply the most reported reason. There were several reasons. That was only one of them.

and the Al-Qaeda connection was just tacked on afterwards to justify staying there.

It was a reason like the others. One of several. There were Al-Qaeda training camps in Iraq. I believe they were there with Saddam's blessings. He did at least have friendly ties with some higher ups in Al-Qaeda.

Believe as you wish. The facts have been out. If you want to continue to believe the propaganda, then who am I to say otherwise.

Even with the facts known now, I say it was a good thing to do what we did in Iraq. I only wish we did it while I was still in the Army, during Desert Storm.

[DarrinS]

This thread is so 2004.

[ChumpDumper]

No. That was simply the most reported reason. There were several reasons. That was only one of them.

Were the other ones so compelling as to sell the invasion and occupation by themselves?

It was a reason like the others. One of several. There were Al-Qaeda training camps in Iraq. I believe they were there with Saddam's blessings.

They were in areas in which Saddam had virtually no control after the Gulf War.

He did at least have friendly ties with some higher ups in Al-Qaeda.

Which ones? Please name them and the nature of their relationships.

[sabar]

Everyone knows that the primary reasons were WMDs and terrorism. It was reported a billion times over when the whole thing started.

The actual reasoning in the joint resolution on authorization of force.

• Iraq's noncompliance with the conditions of the 1991 cease fire, including interference with weapons inspectors.
• Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction, and programs to develop such weapons, posed a "threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region."
• Iraq's "brutal repression of its civilian population."
• Iraq's "capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people".
• Iraq's hostility towards the United States as demonstrated by the alleged 1993 assassination attempt of former President George H. W. Bush, and firing on coalition aircraft enforcing the no-fly zones following the 1991 Gulf War.
• Members of al-Qaeda, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq.
• Iraq's "continu[ing] to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations," including anti-United States terrorist organizations.
• The efforts by the Congress and the President to fight terrorists, including the September 11th, 2001 terrorists and those who aided or harbored them.
• The authorization by the Cons ution and the Congress for the President to fight anti-United States terrorism.
• Citing the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, the resolution reiterated that it should be the policy of the United States to remove the Saddam Hussein regime and promote a democratic replacement.

In case you somehow forgot only a few years after the fact:

President's war rationale and resolution announcement
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archiv...0021002-7.html


Justification of war
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archiv...0021002-2.html

[ChumpDumper]

So since the WMD and Al Qaeda rationales turned out to be compete bull , were the other reasons enough of a justification to invade and occupy Iraq, killing 100,000 Iraqis and displacing 3 million of them inside and outside the country?

[Wild Cobra]

In case you somehow forgot only a few years after the fact:

President's war rationale and resolution announcement
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archiv...0021002-7.html

I wonder if the lib s will notice that stockpiling WMD is the 5th item mentioned?

Would someone show me the mentioned 9/11 connection? Please?

[Winehole23]

I wonder if the lib s will notice that stockpiling WMD is the 5th item mentioned?

Is this the graf you mean?

On its present course, the Iraqi regime is a threat of unique urgency. We know the treacherous history of the regime. (1) It has waged a war against its neighbors; (2)it has sponsored and sheltered terrorists;(3) it has developed weapons of mass death;(4) it has used them against innocent men, women and children. We know the designs of the Iraqi regime. (5)In defiance of pledges to the U.N., it has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons. (6) It is rebuilding the facilities used to make those weapons.

#3 is the first mention of WMD, and #4, #5, and #6 are all WMD related.

What was your point again?

Would someone show me the mentioned 9/11 connection? Please?

Insinuated repeatedly -- but not straightforwardly asserted -- by the VEEP and others after the war began. Lie is too strong a word for it IMO, but this vein of propaganda was misleading and deceptive. (Search "Cheney" "Atta" "Prague", e.g..)

And effective. So much so that a significant minority of Americans, years after the fact and after explicit denials by both Bush and Cheney of an Iraq/9-11 tie, still believe it.

[ChumpDumper]

Insinuated repeatedly -- but not straightforwardly asserted -- by the VEEP and others after the war began. Lie is too strong a word for it IMO, but this vein of propaganda was misleading and deceptive. (Search "Cheney" "Atta" "Prague", e.g..)

And effective. So much so that a significant minority of Americans, years after the fact and after explicit denials by both Bush and Cheney of an Iraq/9-11 tie, still believe it.

They're still translating the do ents!

[DarrinS]

If you read the article that was linked in the OP, you'll notice that Cheney is making a distinction between Iraq-911 ties and Iraq-Al Qaeda ties.

[Winehole23]

If you read the article that was linked in the OP, you'll notice that Cheney is making a distinction between Iraq-911 ties and Iraq-Al Qaeda ties.

He was not so careful while he was in office.

[Wild Cobra]

Is this the graf you mean?

#3 is the first mention of WMD, and #4, #5, and #6 are all WMD related.

What was your point again?

#3 mentions them of the past. #5 and #6 is mentions intelligence, for the time.

[PEP]

Oy, you guys are still crying over this? Pobresitos.

I didnt see any of you over there, or am I mistaken? Did ya'll have to sacrifice anything during this war, did you leave your families for a year, did you get shot at, did you have nightmares or scared that you might get killed today? Keep typing all your silly comments about how it was a lie, its over and we went in and took out a ing bas who deserved to be tortured instead of getting the easy way out by being hanged.

Waah, Waah, Waah, silly cry babies. Innocent people were killed, innocent people are killed every ing day, grow up peeps. life isnt fair.

[ChumpDumper]

#3 mentions them of the past. #5 and #6 is mentions intelligence, for the time.

you're saying they have nothing to do with WMD?

[Winehole23]

And what was the point the lib s are missing? You were elliptical.

[Wild Cobra]

If you read the article that was linked in the OP, you'll notice that Cheney is making a distinction between Iraq-911 ties and Iraq-Al Qaeda ties.

Why do we bother?

The lib s will believe as they want.

[PEP]

So you're saying they have nothing to do with WMD?

sniff sniff......what else chummy? Is that all you got?

[ChumpDumper]

Oy, you guys are still crying over this? Pobresitos.

I didnt see any of you over there, or am I mistaken? Did ya'll have to sacrifice anything during this war, did you leave your families for a year, did you get shot at, did you have nightmares or scared that you might get killed today? Keep typing all your silly comments about how it was a lie, its over and we went in and took out a ing bas who deserved to be tortured instead of getting the easy way out by being hanged.

Waah, Waah, Waah, silly cry babies. Innocent people were killed, innocent people are killed every ing day, grow up peeps. life isnt fair.

Compassionate conservatism.