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I doubt the Suns would do this. It would mean they would have to publicly acknowledge that trading Rajon Rondo to Boston in the first place was a mistake, and their owner has the mentality that he is never wrong.
I agree completely here.
The thing is that even Sarver knows selling off Rondo was wrong, and that's why he has the local Phoenix media blaming D'antoni for it. You didn't know? Every bad personnel decision made since sarver took over was D'antoni's fault? Ask Sarver if you don't believe me
Can he really blame D'Antoni for the Shaq trade?I agree completely here.
The thing is that even Sarver knows selling off Rondo was wrong, and that's why he has the local Phoenix media blaming D'antoni for it. You didn't know? Every bad personnel decision made since sarver took over was D'antoni's fault? Ask Sarver if you don't believe me
Im not saying that Marion wasnt in decline, but Shaq and that ridiculous contract were BURIED in Miami. Now Miami has rebuilt and the Suns are paying for their 2006 championship.
I aslo think the Jason Richardson trade was stupid on Phoenix's part and that was after they D'Antoni was gone.
Jermaine O'neal's contract is just as bad as Shaq's and he's a worse player. this^ makes no sense.
The Shaq trade didn't hurt the Suns. They were done before the Shaq trade. And D'antoni has openly said he wanted the Shaq trade, he and Nash were the two biggest advocates of the trade, Kerr and Sarver were the two hesitant ones. That's based off stuff D'antoni and Nash have actually said.
Actually, Miami's owner called Sarver and pitched the idea to him rather than going through GMs. I agree that Steve Kerr was more reluctant that D'Antoni.
You must be a Shaq fan, I take it.
No, I'm a Suns fan that knows their record at the time of the trade was fool's gold and was only cause of a weak pre-all star break schedule. They weren't going to do any better with that got Marion and a change needed to be made. They were out of options so they gambled with a trade that really didn't make them any better or worse.
Most importantly, I'm a Suns fan that's really sick of hearing people talk about the Shaq trade as if it broke up what was the 2nd coming of the 1986 Boston Celtics.
It wasn't stupid at all. Raja Bell was playing lazy, ty basketball and was becoming a locker room cancer who didn't think it was "fun" to play for Porter. He was taking shots he had no business taking and getting torched by the opposing shooting guard on a nightly basis.
This is another example where people talk about how much this trade "hurt Phoenix on defense" as if Phoenix was some in defensive powerhouse prior to the trade.
No one ever said Phoenix was a defensive powerhouse, but they had four decent defenders in Marion, Kurt Thomas, Raja Bell and even Boris Diaw.
Now, virtually everyone on their team is a poor defender.
And Raja Bell was right. That guy deserved to be fired. Not because he asked them to play defense but because he didnt do anything he was brought in to do. The Suns were still incredibly undisciplined on defense last season, even more so than under their previous coach. Amare still barked after every time he missed a shot. Shaq still refused to rotate off of any screen etc. All Porter did was slow down their offense and attempt to run Detroit plays for Phoenix.
Diaw was never a good defender. People made this up once the Richardson trade happened just to criticize the Suns for the of it. Being a better defender than Amare Stoudemire and being a good defender are two completely different things.
The Kurt Thomas trade anyone with half a brain knows was stupid as . Next year when Serge Ibaka wins rookie of the year that'll become even more apparent. If the Suns trade Shaq and consequently become one of the top 5 worst teams in basketball which leads to OKC getting John Wall, it'll become one of the biggest heists of all time.
And a large reason why Marion was traded was cause in years past he hustled his ass off on D and he was no longer doing that. Marion wanted out from the day Kerr told him he wouldn't be getting a max contract extension and his heart was no longer with the team after that. Half his foot was out the door the entire season leading up to the trade.
And don't say Raja Bell was a good defender just cause you hear it all the time. Last season before the Suns traded him his defense was downright pathetic and disgusting. Look at some of the box scores before the trade if you think I'm wrong. Like the one good game T-Mac had the entire year was against Bell. Same situation as Diaw, being a better defender than Jason Richardson and being a good defender are two completely different things.
And I wasn't aware it's Raja Bell's job to say whether or not the coach should be fired. I always thought the players were supposed to listen to whomever was coach, silly me. But what exactly is Porter supposed to do if the team refuses to play defense and refuses to listen to him while the GM just sits back with his thumb up his ass and does nothing? Is he supposed to bring a gun to the game and say, "Ima pop you if you don't play defense Amare"?
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One thing I noticed after the Marion trade was guards were able to get into the teeth of their D easier. I figured shaq anchoring the D would help, but it only helped against centers like Yao and Duncan. The ginobilis and parkers of the world were having layup drills at this point.
Shaq was brought in to stop duncan, he did a good job, but what they gave up essentially just created another hole in their defense for teams to exploit.
Of course not. What would Popovic do if Duncan ever played defense like Amare?
He would bench his ass in two seconds and rip him a new O-ring. He would yell so much he would pass out from lack of oxygen.
Instead, the Suns hired the worst communicator whose first language is actually English. And they gave Amare a role model in Shaq who is actually even more lazy on defense and has a bigger ego.
I dont blame them for trading Marion because:
1) HE WANTED OUT
2) I agree, he wasnt playing as well.
I disagree with your assessment with Raja Bell and Boris Diaw. I think Boris Diaw is one of the most natural basketball players Ive ever seen for someone that size. Very comparable to Lamar Odom, Danny Manning etc.
I highly doubt this rumor is valid.
1.) Is Amare willing to come off the bench? KG/Perkins make our inside d solid. Amare would make it worse.
2.)Who in the will be our starting pg? Barbosa? House? Someone in the draft?
3.) The Suns can easily get better deals else where.
How many Suns games did you watch this year before they traded Bell? His defense was downright terrible. Please don't try to tell me about a team you didn't watch at all.
And being lazy and being immobile are two completely different things. Shaq isn't lazy on defense, he's a 37 year old that weighs 330 pounds, not being able to stay on front of Chris Paul when Nash doesn't fight through a screen doesn't make him lazy.
That's what I thought but from what I read it's not a completely invalid rumor. I'd feel bad for Boston fans if this happened, and no the Suns can't get better, they couldn't even get JJ Hickson.I highly doubt this rumor is valid.
1.) Is Amare willing to come off the bench? KG/Perkins make our inside d solid. Amare would make it worse.
2.)Who in the will be our starting pg? Barbosa? House? Someone in the draft?
3.) The Suns can easily get better deals else where.
I disagree. Shaq moved just fine in the Suns last game against the Lakers.
You could argue that he geared himself up to play against Kobe and that he cant do that on a night basis.
Fine. But the Suns still shouldnt have traded for him if thats the case. My feeling is the he chooses to hustle when he has the ball, and play half-ass the rest of the time (unless he's playing against the Lakers or in an all-star game). I like the guy personally, but he's lazy and poor role model for Stoudemire. Its a shame they couldnt have kept Kurt Thomas around longer to teach Amare a few things.
And I dont know where this Bell hatred comes from or why you question how many Suns games I watched this season. I watched a lot before and after Porter was fired, and I can tell you that Richardson doesnt bring Phoenix anything they didnt already have in Leandro Barbosa (only Barbosa does it better). The Suns lost their last two decent defenders (as over-hyped as you think they are) for a player who further killed their cap space and weakened their defense without providing anything new on offense.
Richardson brought plenty of new things but rather than utilize him they decided to turn him into a chucker that's dependent on Nash to create all of his shots. And Barbosa also sucks fat .
Wow. Are you even a Suns fan?
If I was a Spurs fan I'd love Barbosa for the way he played against them in 2007 or 2008. I'll never forgive that little Brazilian got for deciding he didn't need to show up to those playoff series.
That trade arguably makes both teams worse.
No way this trade happens. I see the celts trying one more time with their current team and then will blow it up...
http://ktar.com/?sid=1175731&nid=624Amare will be dealt
In the article it is reported that ”First and foremost the Suns still want Steve Nash to be the point guard on this team and want to extend him another two years. Second, in any trade involving Stoudemire they would like to get another big back. The Celtics deal I discussed centered around Rondo and Ray Allen, two guards. So while I believe Rondo can be had for the right price, I just can't see the Suns wanting to end the Steve Nash era at this point. Remember, they still need to sell tickets to a fan base unhappy with last season's results and dealing with a tough economy.
The most likely trade partner for the Suns is the Washington Wizards who have some good young talent on the roster as well as having the #5 pick in the upcoming draft. The Wizards have several players the Suns would be interested in, including Caron Butler, Nick Young, Andray Blatche, JaValee McGee and of course the pick. Washington could use the athleticism and size of Stoudemire up front to team with Antwan Jamison and a healthy Gilbert Arenas and give the Wizards a formidable threesome to contend in the East.
The Suns could get back a solid player in Butler, a young player with talent to groom and a top-5 pick with which to grab another young player and start the rebuilding process.”
Ghazi, I like your sig.
This trade would suck.
Rajon Rondo is not needed we already got probably the best PG in the NBA. Rondo would just be a waste of space.
Last edited by Nash2TimeMVp; 06-04-2009 at 02:00 AM.
Another one about Amare and the Wizards.
http://probasketballnews.com/story/?storyid=523There have been widespread reports that Phoenix could deal center Amare Stoudemire to the Wizards for forward Antawn Jamison, the No. 5 overall draft pick and guard Mike James and his expiring contract. When asked if the deal seemed like anything more than a rumor, a Western Conference executive put it this way: "It's a definite possibility, I guess."
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