Vince Young - "I want to play, or move on"

[timvp]

The best thing to ever happen to VY were the Brothers of Ting.

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lol I can't express how much I love Duke

lol ut fan with a ged

lol exercise business

lol vy fan

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lol protection problems

lol shoestring tackle

lol inferior team ownage

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[dirk4mvp]

[Blake]

lol "I want to play"

lol VY

[Spursfan092120]

oh I remember but it wasnt him it was his recievers. looks at Thomas's numbers. Vince always dumped it to him on short passes. Sweed bailed VY out a lot as well, watch the last catch against Ohio State. HORRIBLE ing pass, great ing catch!!

To say a guy was the most accurate passer in the NCAA ONLY because of his receivers is ludicrous. With as many teams that there are in the NCAA, and as many receivers that were MUCH better than Sweed and Thomas in the NCAA, it takes a of a lot of talent to do what Vince did. Vince wanted to be in Houston...he thought he was going to Houston..it really messed with his mind when they didn't draft him. ...he bought a huge house down there...Houston all but gave him a contract, then backed out on him. Then, when he had some bad games, he was booed..that messed with him. The guy is very accurate, and very talented. I'm a huge college football fan and I watched every Horns game. I saw him thread the needle many times...if he gets a chance to start, whether it be in Tennessee or elsewhere, he's going to show that talent.

[TFloss32]

Are you a butthurt Vince Young fan or something?

Haha, I was waiting on this one Dirk. Nicely played...

[Spursfan092120]

His actual throwing accuracy is completely different than QB rating.

I'm aware...he was the number one QB by accuracy..

[Spursfan092120]

Exactly what metric does the NCAA have for "accuracy?" You mean completion percentage? That's not the same thing as accuracy. In the NCAA, if you have athletically superior receivers that get wide open, you can throw it in their general area and they'll catch it. In the NFL, frequently the ball has to be thrown within a narrow window of area and time to get it past the defenders. A QB can't simply evade tacklers long enough for receivers to break containment like VY could do in college.

It's a different skill set, and he doesn't have it and never did.

WTF are you talking about? Accuracy is completion percentage..it's the same damn thing. He was the most accurate QB his senior season...by COMPLETION PERCENTAGE!!

[TFloss32]

To say a guy was the most accurate passer in the NCAA ONLY because of his receivers is ludicrous. With as many teams that there are in the NCAA, and as many receivers that were MUCH better than Sweed and Thomas in the NCAA, it takes a of a lot of talent to do what Vince did. Vince wanted to be in Houston...he thought he was going to Houston..it really messed with his mind when they didn't draft him. ...he bought a huge house down there...Houston all but gave him a contract, then backed out on him. Then, when he had some bad games, he was booed..that messed with him. The guy is very accurate, and very talented. I'm a huge college football fan and I watched every Horns game. I saw him thread the needle many times...if he gets a chance to start, whether it be in Tennessee or elsewhere, he's going to show that talent.

Someone who knows what they're talking about . Good point about his receivers. None of his UT receivers have made an impact in the pros (that is if they were even drafted). Dude is a freak and seriously talented no matter how you slice it.

[ATRAIN]

Are you being serious? He started one game in which he didn't complete because of a sprained knee. I guess my eyes were fooling me when he was rolling around in pain on the field in the first game of '08. And you don't throw him back in when Kerry Collins is undefeated as as starter that season, it makes no sense. Whether his "mental issues" are legit, I don't know. I'm not his psychologist/team doctor. This does not mean, however, that he's incapable of being a starting QB in the NFL, which was my original point. You're being waaaay too critical man. Do you secretly hate the Longhorns or ans?

I dont know man I happen to think he is on his way down and will take a lot to convince me other wise. I am a horn fan, always have been. I love what VY did for this city but I didnt think he was ready for the next level. I hate the ans so thats a diff story. I just got sick of the VY man love when he left Austin, and I love how his NFL career has gone down the crapper. Is his career over prob not but we will see what happens.

[Blake]

I don't think Vince ever fully realized or still realizes just how much studying you have to do in the NFL as a QB.

In college he just used his natural ability to win against lesser talent.

In the NFL, the talent has leveled out and there are LBs as fast as he is.

And after his rookie year, opposing teams took the game tapes, have forced him to pass and now he has sucked.

I'd lay money down that he will never be a pro bowler again.

[Spursfan092120]

I dont know man I happen to think he is on his way down and will take a lot to convince me other wise. I am a horn fan, always have been. I love what VY did for this city but I didnt think he was ready for the next level. I hate the ans so thats a diff story. I just got sick of the VY man love when he left Austin, and I love how his NFL career has gone down the crapper. Is his career over prob not but we will see what happens.

I call bull . There's no way in you were a Horns fan if you were glad to see Vince fail. If you are so ego driven that you are glad to see someone fail because you thought they might, you need to see a doctor. Especially if you were supposedly a fan of the team that won a le ONLY because of him. Without Vince, that Longhorns team doesn't even play in the Holiday Bowl. You were probably that guy that walked around your office/school telling everyone who would talk to you "I knew he wouldn't make it..I knew it." You're ridiculous. How could you be glad that a guy who brought a team you are supposedly a fan of a le failed in the NFL? That's just complete and utter bull . You should be stripped of your fan card.

[dirk4mvp]

lol big 12 defenses

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[dirk4mvp]

lol duke football

aw man

[Dr. Gonzo]

Duke has a football team?

[ATRAIN]

I call bull . There's no way in you were a Horns fan if you were glad to see Vince fail. If you are so ego driven that you are glad to see someone fail because you thought they might, you need to see a doctor. Especially if you were supposedly a fan of the team that won a le ONLY because of him. Without Vince, that Longhorns team doesn't even play in the Holiday Bowl. You were probably that guy that walked around your office/school telling everyone who would talk to you "I knew he wouldn't make it..I knew it." You're ridiculous. How could you be glad that a guy who brought a team you are supposedly a fan of a le failed in the NFL? That's just complete and utter bull . You should be stripped of your fan card.

Call what you want. Im a horns fan and have been all my life. Im a Texans fan and a ans hater since I was a oilers fan so the moment he became a Texan I wrote him off. Same thing with Michael Griffen. Its not that I want them to fail or I want VY to commit suicide or anything. I knew VY's transition from college to the pros wasnt going to be successfull and im glad Houston passed up on him. I didnt want reggie either for the record. Vy was a GREAT college player but I wasnt blinded by the Austin nut hugging that happened around here. It was disgusting and if you lived in Austin you could see it. The CBS affiliate here in Austin started televising an games instead of Texans games. There were a lot of bandwagon AN fans once VY was drafted. Anyways saying I should be stripped of being a Horns fan because I stupid if you dont know my reasoning.

[dirk4mvp]

Duke has a football team?

They beat the Texans in an exhibition game.

[dirk4mvp]

LOL throwing some bait....

LOL getting owned by Texans fan

bait!

[Extra Stout]

WTF are you talking about? Accuracy is completion percentage..it's the same damn thing. He was the most accurate QB his senior season...by COMPLETION PERCENTAGE!!

In college, VY had to be "accurate" enough to throw the ball through a doorway to complete passes. His team had superior athletes. He could evade defenders long enough for coverages to break down. He could throw it in the general area and his receivers could go get it.

That doesn't work in the pros. He has to be accurate enough to throw the ball through a car tire. Everyone is a superior athlete. The QB has to read the defense, make a quick decision, and get the ball to just the right spot at just the right time to make a completion. A QB can't just get by on his vast athletic ability, like Vince could at UT.

UT coaches understood this. They tried to make Vince a fundamentally sound QB. He struggled. They finally gave up and let him rely on his athletic ability and wits, and he was so much a men among boys on the college level that he could dominate on those alone.

Not so in the NFL.

You write like the correlation between completion percentage and accuracy is obvious. That's like seeing that Allen Iverson scores a whole bunch of points and figuring he must be a really great offensive player. But if one watches the game, the truth that doesn't show up in the numbers becomes apparent. When Vince throws, the ball flutters on him because his throwing motion sucks (the Uncle Rico windup). He doesn't get the velocity other pro QB's get. He is slow to make decisions. You see the best QB's, and they get the ball, make the decision where to throw it, and the ball gets there fast. Vince has shown no signs of being able to do those things. And, sorry to say, good NFL QB's can't have below-average intelligence like Vince does. The difference between a mobile but occasionally scatter-armed QB like Donovan McNabb and Young is that McNabb is smart and can make good decisions on the field. You notice his receiving corps over his career with the exception of the T.O. years has been complete garbage, yet he has been able to distinguish himself as a pretty good QB.

VY has lots of athletic talent, but I don't think he will ever amount to anything as an NFL QB. Perhaps if he switched to WR, he could become like an Antawn Randal-El or something.

[mookie2001]

You don't remember too well, do you? Vince was the top rated QB by accuracy in the NCAA his senior year...I'd say that's pretty good.

ehhh you dont remember too well either, he left after his junior year

and what the is anyone talking about receivers, vince never had anyone noteworthy to throw to, limas as a sophmore, brian carter and tony jeffery??




the bottom line is from a longhorn fans point of view, unless youre a diehard ans fan, nobody gives a what he does in the nfl, because he won at texas, yeah its good for recruiting but i really dont want any more russell shepards or pryors, id rather have conner woods and g gilberts


IM STILL GLAD HE TURNED OUT BETTER THAN REGGIE MCNEAL (people forget this was still debatable until vinces jr year)

youre telling me if steven mcgee won a MNC at a&m that any aggy would give a fat rats ass what he did in the nfl? no, but because he went in the 5th round to dallas and graham harrell went undrafted, hes like the great aggy hope again and Texags might start a new website devoted to mcgee in the nfl

yes like 80% of the players in the nfl vince has a big head and wants to play, big ing deal

I hope he starts one day for tenn because theyve got scaife and mike griffin and ahmard hall but no longhorn fan is losing any sleep when we've got the best qb in the nation now and just got a commit from best hs qb in the nation and just signed the best freshman qb in the nation

[Dr. Gonzo]

You better be careful Mookie. That spursfan might take away your Longhorn fan card.

[Extra Stout]

I agree with mookie2001. You don't see Aggie obsessing about how the Atlanta Hawks are ignoring Acie Law's talent and how he'd be Chris Paul and Kobe Bryant all wrapped into one if only he had the right teammates.

Yeah, I know making it to the Sweet 16 once isn't like winning the BCS le game essentially by oneself, but when you're starving, and someone throws you a cracker... (apologies to Eddie Murphy).

[Blake]

ehhh you dont remember too well either, he left after his junior year

and what the is anyone talking about receivers, vince never had anyone noteworthy to throw to, limas as a sophmore, brian carter and tony jeffery??




the bottom line is from a longhorn fans point of view, unless youre a diehard ans fan, nobody gives a what he does in the nfl, because he won at texas, yeah its good for recruiting but i really dont want any more russell shepards or pryors, id rather have conner woods and g gilberts


IM STILL GLAD HE TURNED OUT BETTER THAN REGGIE MCNEAL (people forget this was still debatable until vinces jr year)

youre telling me if steven mcgee won a MNC at a&m that any aggy would give a fat rats ass what he did in the nfl? no, but because he went in the 5th round to dallas and graham harrell went undrafted, hes like the great aggy hope again and Texags might start a new website devoted to mcgee in the nfl

yes like 80% of the players in the nfl vince has a big head and wants to play, big ing deal

I hope he starts one day for tenn because theyve got scaife and mike griffin and ahmard hall but no longhorn fan is losing any sleep when we've got the best qb in the nation now and just got a commit from best hs qb in the nation and just signed the best freshman qb in the nation

lol steven mcgee > mcneal

[TFloss32]

Call what you want. Im a horns fan and have been all my life. Im a Texans fan and a ans hater since I was a oilers fan so the moment he became a Texan I wrote him off. Same thing with Michael Griffen. Its not that I want them to fail or I want VY to commit suicide or anything. I knew VY's transition from college to the pros wasnt going to be successfull and im glad Houston passed up on him. I didnt want reggie either for the record. Vy was a GREAT college player but I wasnt blinded by the Austin nut hugging that happened around here. It was disgusting and if you lived in Austin you could see it. The CBS affiliate here in Austin started televising an games instead of Texans games. There were a lot of bandwagon AN fans once VY was drafted. Anyways saying I should be stripped of being a Horns fan because I stupid if you dont know my reasoning.

So it is because you're a ans hater...I lived in Austin during the National Championship season and the "nut hugging" was not nearly to the extreme you say it was. He put Texas back on the map and never did a thing to make anyone dislike him. He never got in trouble, wasn't y and he took care business on the field. People loved Vince because they were a UT student, alum or they took pride in their town. Do you know how much money he brought to the city and university? Not to mention how he alone made the UT program exponentially better for years to come. He deserved every bit of "man love" he received (and then some) after bringing Texas their first le in 30+ years and dethroning USC. How can you hate on arguably the greatest college football player ever (especially when he played for the team you root for)? Did he blow you off for an autograph or sleep with you girlfriend?

On a side note...how can you say he's declining when he hasn't even "failed" yet? The dude had a Pro Bowl season and then sat out an entire year. Also, the 2006 NFL Draft was a sad sight to see. The Houston Texans should've taken Vince for ticket sales alone.