Vince Young - "I want to play, or move on"

[ATRAIN]

2006 there was no Schaub on the Texans. Look back to what Vince Young accomplished his rookie season, with no go to wide receiver. Now look at what the Texans accomplished on offense with Carr and a go to receiver. You want facts, in 2006 Vince Young was better than Mario Williams.

VY 2006:

Completed 51% of his passes. Threw 12 TD's and 13 INT'S with no go to receiver. Threw for 2,199 yards, again with no real go to receiver. He also rushed 83 times for 552 yards and 7 TD's.

David Carr: Completed 68% of his passes. Threw 11 TD's and 12 INT's with a legitimate got to receiver. Threw for 2,767 yards, again with a legitimate go to receiver. He rushed 53 times for 195 yards and 2 TD's.

Mario Williams:

Tackles: 47 Solo: 35 Assists: 12 Sacks: 4 Forced Fumbles: 1

Those aren't really great numbers for a number one pick. Again, I say that putting myself in 2006, Vince Young was the better choice. If Vince Young had a legitimate go to receiver like an Andre Johnson, he would have been a better QB. Now looking back, when we've seen how the career paths have gone, it's easier to say that Mario Williams was the better choice. Actually putting yourself there at the time, it's a risk that the Texans made. Vince Young, at that time, looked like he would have been a better choice.

yeah at the time...fast forward to present day and Mario has turned out to be the better choice.

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just saw an article where Jeff Fisher said that Vince Young will be the starter for the ans in the near future.

[ATRAIN]

"Completed 51% of his passes. Threw 12 TD's and 13 INT'S with no go to receiver. Threw for 2,199 yards, again with no real go to receiver. He also rushed 83 times for 552 yards and 7 TD's.
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Those arent stellar stats for a number 1 pick either.

Look at Matt Ryans stats last year, now those are stellar stats for a number 1 pick and he wasnt anywhere near a national le in college.

[ATRAIN]

just saw an article where Jeff Fisher said that Vince Young will be the starter for the ans in the near future.

As a Texans fan I hope so lol.

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Completed 51% of his passes. Threw 12 TD's and 13 INT'S with no go to receiver. Threw for 2,199 yards, again with no real go to receiver. He also rushed 83 times for 552 yards and 7 TD's.

Those arent stellar stats for a number 1 pick either.

Look at Matt Ryans stats last year, now those are stellar stats for a number 1 pick and he wasnt anywhere near a national le in college.

lol roddy white

[ATRAIN]

lol roddy white

He had a great year last year so why the lol?

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As a Texans fan I hope so lol.

Why? He is undefeated against them.

[ATRAIN]

Why? He is undefeated against them.

yeah I know but if he becomes starter again that wont be the case.

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He had a great year last year so why the lol?

because Roddy White > all ans recievers combined X 10

[ATRAIN]

because Roddy White > all ans recievers combined X 10

oh lol ok yeah thats true. Would you say Andre Johnson > Roddy?

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oh lol ok yeah thats true. Would you say Andre Johnson > Roddy?

yes

[manufan10]

"Completed 51% of his passes. Threw 12 TD's and 13 INT'S with no go to receiver. Threw for 2,199 yards, again with no real go to receiver. He also rushed 83 times for 552 yards and 7 TD's.
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Those arent stellar stats for a number 1 pick either.

Look at Matt Ryans stats last year, now those are stellar stats for a number 1 pick and he wasnt anywhere near a national le in college.

Considering what the Texans had at QB, Vince Young would have been a better pick up. To say that the Texans didn't need a better QB is wrong. VY had comparable numbers to David Carr, but VY didn't have a go to receiver. Drew Bennett was his number one guy, and Andre Johnson is 100X better than him. I think VY could have made the Texans a better offensive team. Like Stretch said earlier, VY would have done a much better job under the Texans offensive coaches than under Norm Chow. Give VY some weapons, and he'll be a better QB. He may not be the best QB of all time, but he will be better than a lot of QB's that are starting in the league.

[fyatuk]

It's easy to sit here now and say that Mario is the better player, but looking back to 2006 at putting yourself in THAT time period Vince Young would have been a damn good choice and would have helped the Texans better than Carr or Rosenfels.

Back then I had it Williams, Young, Bush (with Bush being way out in 3rd and Williams and Young being close. There were actually several other players I would have taken over Bush).

I think they Texans made the right choice for them, but I do agree that Young would have done significantly better in Houston than Tennessee.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Rosencopter > Young

[manufan10]

I think you are delusional.

[Spursfan092120]

So you are saying the Jerry Jones is a good GM?

Who made the Herschel Walker trade?

[Dr. Gonzo]

I think you are delusional.

It's a fact. I would take a good decision making QB with a strong arm over a borderline re that scores a 10 on the Wonderlic and can't throw more than 15 yards down field.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Who made the Herschel Walker trade?

Your mom.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Tim Hasselbeck >> Vince Young

[Dr. Gonzo]

John Secada >> Enrique Iglesias >> Vince Young

[manufan10]

It's a fact. I would take a good decision making QB with a strong arm over a borderline re that scores a 10 on the Wonderlic and can't throw more than 15 yards down field.

I doubt that Rosenfels is that good of a decision maker, hence the Rosencopter. I'll take a playmaker.

[manufan10]

Your mom.

Wow, we're back in 6th grade again.

[manufan10]

"Completed 51% of his passes. Threw 12 TD's and 13 INT'S with no go to receiver. Threw for 2,199 yards, again with no real go to receiver. He also rushed 83 times for 552 yards and 7 TD's.
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Those arent stellar stats for a number 1 pick either.

Look at Matt Ryans stats last year, now those are stellar stats for a number 1 pick and he wasnt anywhere near a national le in college.

I went back and looked at the stats for the first pick QB's taken in the draft for the last 10 years. Vince Young's stats are comparable to most guys in their first season. Other guys were huge busts like Alex Smith. Carson Palmer has some of the better stats, but he didn't start off right away as a rookie. Peyton Manning had the best stats as a rookie QB, but others like Hall of Famer Troy Aikman had similar stats. I'd say as a rookie, Vince Young had a very good season at a QB position. Similar to the guys who were chosen before him in previous years. I'd also go "out on a limb" and say that playing QB in the NFL is a lot harder position to learn and play than a defensive end.

[Dr. Gonzo]

That's why VY is going to fail as a pro. He isn't smart.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Uncle Jesse >> Balky Bartokumous >> Benson >> Vince Young