washington wants manu for the 5th pick

[Pucho!!!]

We just need a couple upgrades in our role player, not a complete face lift. I think some here are overdoing the severity of the Spurs situation. D Wade went through some serious injuries that kept him out for a while before having this monster year. Sure, he's younger than Manu, but by some people's logic on here, he should be considered injury prone for the remainder of his career. I'm more than confident that if Manu strenghtens his body during the off-season (maybe he'll wise up and work with Tim Grover who worked with MJ, Kobe, D Wade, etc), he should have a monster year himself and I dont want to be the team on the tail-end of a Manu that feels he has something to prove, WWOOO WEEEE!!

[Blackjack]

And So It Begins

A few weeks ago I tackled the subject of whether or not the Spurs should consider trading Manu Ginobili. In that post I said that there was no reason to suspect that they would, and that they shouldn’t. But I included this qualifier:

While I don’t think the Spurs have any interest in trading Manu Ginobili, I think they’ll receive more calls about his availability than ever before. This might seem counter-intuitive given his recent injuries, but if you’re an opposing GM you know:

-the Spurs need to reload, and their assets are limited

-if healthy, Manu Ginobili can lead a team to glory

-he is only due 11 million next season

-his contract is expiring, so the risk is minimal

-even if he doesn’t return to form, his bird rights and a scaled back contract offer give any team an insanely good 6th man going forward

So, in other words, Manu Ginobili is an attractive expiring contract and I expect plenty of rumors this offseason. Sam Amico of Pro Basketball News reports one rumor this way:

One thing that’s not in doubt: The Wizards are actively dangling the fifth pick for a starting veteran. They are said to have contacted San Antonio to find out about the availability of Manu Ginobili, but that rumor was quickly shot down by both sides. The Wizards may also try to make a run at unrestricted free agent forward Shawn Marion (Toronto) or guard Ben Gordon (Chicago).

Brace yourself, because we’ll hear more of the same before the summer is done.

Nota Bena: Washington’s motivation in shopping the 5th pick has everything to do with their cap situation. They don’t want to take on guaranteed salary, which, according to the rookie scale, is about 2.7 million if they keep their current selection. Their projected cap number for next season is in the mid 70s, which means that, depending on where the tax line comes down, they’ll have to shed salary in order to sign anyone this offseason. Honestly, they probably need to shed 6 million in cap and not take on a dime in order to avoid taxes. That’s a hard row to hoe. Why do you care? Because the Spurs would need to take back at least the money due Manu, but Washington would want to include more filler. Any player(s) the Spurs receive will compromise their 2010 cap integrity. So short of a base offer that includes Caron Butler and the 5th pick, I don’t see a Wizards trade offer that makes sense for San Antonio. And if you’re the Wizards, is the cap relief and tax savings worth that much? This is merely a rumor, and not a very good one at that.



http://www.48minutesof .com/2009/...-so-it-begins/

[DPG21920]

That is exactly what I just said and it is logical. Does not make sense for the Spurs because of the cap ramifications.

[rascal]

damn, Manu, Arenas, Butler, Jamison

bad ass mother in team

They still need better bigs. That team won't win.

[tmtcsc]

Manu's body crapped out the last 2 years ? He had just come off a bad ankle injury when he signed with the Spurs. True, he's had injuries but nothing career threatening.

Manu Ginobili is a winner and a fierce compe or. I think people are getting a little too trigger happy to say goodbye to him. An unproven # 5 draft pick for an exciting 3 time NBA Champion, 6th man of the year, Olympic Gold Medalist ? No thanks. Besides, how does trading a # 5 pick bring cap relief when there is a rookie cap in place ?

Next. No wonder this talk was shot down.

[rascal]

Get Butler and the 5'th pick for Manu and expiring contracts. Thats a good deal for the spurs. The spurs would reload quickly with two quality players for Manu.

[ducks]

Manu's body crapped out the last 2 years ? He had just come off a bad ankle injury when he signed with the Spurs. True, he's had injuri

Manu Ginobili is a winner and a fierce compe or. I think people are getting a little too trigger happy to say goodbye to him. An unproven # 5 draft pick for an exciting 3 time NBA Champion, 6th man of the year, Olympic Gold Medalist ? No thanks. Besides, how does trading a # 5 pick bring cap relief when there is a rookie cap in place ?

Next. No wonder this talk was shot down.

manu won because of others
others are better and not have won

[rascal]

It doesn't make sense for the Spurs.

The Mavs, Rockets, Suns, Blazers, Nuggets could throw something together that would make better sense for them.

It would be in the best interest for other teams to get better while the Spurs do nothing until 2010.

Thats just great throwing away another one of Duncan's last years.

[tmtcsc]

manu won because of others
others are better and not have won

Lucky Manu. It seems where ever he plays, his teammates bring him Championships. I like how they make big shots and big plays for him too.

[ducks]

Lucky Manu. It seems where ever he plays, his teammates bring him Championships. I like how they make big shots and big plays for him too.

yeah duncan sure did

[DPG21920]

Get Butler and the 5'th pick for Manu and expiring contracts. Thats a good deal for the spurs. The spurs would reload quickly with two quality players for Manu.

I agree, but why would the Wiz do that? If you bring in Manu and get rid of Butler + the 5th how does that help them compete for a le? They would need to add Manu to Gilbert/Butler/Jamison in order to compete.

Unless they are thinking they can get Manu, resign him then upgrade up front next year, but then it seems quite complicated and risky.

That would be an excellent deal for the Spurs and fill a position of need. Butler is about as good as you could hope for in 2010 anyways, then you could use the #5 to replace Manu somewhat or upfront. You would then have the MLE to use as well.

Still makes very little sense for both teams unless something extreme happens, which never does with the Spurs.

[roycrikside]

tp basically said the spurs plan was to wait not to do anything this offseason
but he wants them to do something now

I'm pretty sure Tony doesn't want the team to trade Manu you dip . Unlike you, he doesn't hate Manu.

[ducks]

Lucky Manu. It seems where ever he plays, his teammates bring him Championships. I like how they make big shots and big plays for him too.

the great scola was why his country won
oh wait
they won when the USA did not send their best players
lucky manu
and when the usa team practiced together
they won it all not manu's team

[roycrikside]

the great scola was why his country won
oh wait
they won when the USA did not send their best players
lucky manu
and when the usa team practiced together
they won it all not manu's team

I've said it before and I'll say it again - You'd rather have the Spurs lose a championship than having them win with Manu hitting the winning shot.

[ducks]

I'm pretty sure Tony doesn't want the team to trade Manu you dip . Unlike you, he doesn't hate Manu.

tp wants to win
he is not going to say manu needs to go publically
that would be bad pr and drive manu's price down further
and if he does not get traded
then they might be chemistry problems

[ducks]

I've said it before and I'll say it again - You'd rather have the Spurs lose a championship than having them win with Manu hitting the winning shot.

no I would not
I wanted manu to win the finals mvp not duncan

I want spurs to win
but they are other players out there that are close to manu's talent
that play more minutes and less injury prone

[DPG21920]

tp wants to win
he is not going to say manu needs to go publically
that would be bad pr and drive manu's price down further
and if he does not get traded
then they might be chemistry problems

If he has not said anything publicly, what leads you to this assumption? Link to anything? Or are you just making stuff up again?

[ducks]

I was a spur fan when they got david robinson
not any other spur player
I will always be a spur fan
even if they trade tp,duncan,manu

[Mel_13]

no I would not
I wanted manu to win the finals mvp not duncan

I want spurs to win
but they are other players out there that are close to manu's talent
that play more minutes and less injury prone

Let's assume that this statement is true. Which of these players do you believe would be available to the Spurs in exchange for Manu?

[modtxspur]

While the thought of manu in a different uni makes me cringe, the oldest team in the league needs to get younger. The most important part of this team is still TD (low post plus defense=MIP). If we could get the 5th and then package picks from the second round plus a vet, maybe we could move up to the back of the first round. We have to reload, we can't end up like the bulls after jordan left.

[pad300]

Jorden Hill(the 5th pick), DeShawn Stevenson, Etan Thomas(expiring contract) fot Manu Ginobili.
maybe we should do it consider Manu injuring problems. we would get a very talented athletic big man who will be great next to Duncan and for our future, we would get a good SG who have small contract and can be a started and we would get a defensive big man with expiring contract that will keep our 2010 options open.

This is very poor; shall we try something that the Spurs might actually consider? I posted it at 48MoH

The minimum that might make it work (from the Spurs perspective - no guarantee WAS bites…)

#5, Caron, Haywood, Deshawn Stevenson

for

Ginobili, Oberto(buyout), Bowen (buyout), 2010 1st

SAS salary in (2010): $19,914,899 +the #5 , Salary Out (2010) : $18,528,130
SAS salary net (2010):+ $4,111,069 (inexact, +/- 20% on the rookie scale salary of $2,724,300)

WAS salary in (2010, post buyouts): $14,628,130, Salary out (2010): $19,914,899 +the #5
WAS Salary net: -$8,011,069 (inexact, +/- 20% on the rookie scale salary of $2,724,300)

This would leave the Spurs at $73,565,796
in committed salary in 2010 (above tax line by approximately $2,000,000) and 13 players signed. Pray Finley retires and you can sign a 2nd rounder (Gist?) or vet min. Move Bonner and other expirings in 2010 for cheaper contracts that end in 2011 and put off the big rebuild till 2011, when both Tony and Butler’s contracts come up and things look potentially doable..

Alternatively, there are cheaper contracts (Pecherov, Blatche, Crittendon, McGuire) than Stevenson, but most of them are rookies that I suspect WAS values more.

Also if Finley lets SAS know early enough, trading him to WAS to retire, while we take more of their salary might work (add Finley for SAS, add Crittendon or Pecherov for WAS)…

PS I can't see SAS taking Mike James or Etan Thomas. They'd be 10th to 12th men here (James as 3ed pg - Parker, Hill, James, Thomas as 5th big - Duncan, KT/Bonner, Mahinmi....) . Deshawn might actually play. He has some defensive chops. Haywood we would be willing to take; he'd actually play for us, as either 2nd or 3ed big.

[Bruno]

If Spurs take the 2010 plan road, trading Ginobili for the 5th pick makes sense.

[completely deck]

I was a spur fan when they got david robinson
not any other spur player
I will always be a spur fan
even if they trade tp,duncan,manu

your posts read like a terrible poem.

[ducks]

thank you

[Bukefal]