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But what contracts could they take back that would 1) save the Wiz money and 2) expire in 2010 that would allow for them to have the 5th pick and maximize cap space to sign a FA?
ducks, you ass, wouldn't you be happy if manu left?
you should be propping this thread instead of ting on it
But what contracts could they take back that would 1) save the Wiz money and 2) expire in 2010 that would allow for them to have the 5th pick and maximize cap space to sign a FA?
Please explain? Gino expires in 2010, so it doesn't open more cap space; in fact the 5th pick would take a small (~2.7 million I think) chunk away. The other question, of course is what would come back to balance Manu's outgoing salary; remember WAS is over the cap. The proposals so far (Mine, Kobyz and Rascal's) have all got SAS taking back salary into 2011 (Bultler and Stevenson both have contracts that extend to 2010/11).
Exactly. This would not be a bad move at all. especially when you want to focus on young players.
Ginobili + Oberto for Mike James + Etan Thomas + Pecherov + 5th.
Wizards will save $6M in 09-10, that is to say $12M with the luxury tax.
D-Wade was a 5th pick. So was Devin Harris, Vince Carter, Ray Allen, Kevin Garnett, and Juwon Howard.
UGLY. As I stated above, I don't think we take either James or Thomas, never mind both. They are very poor players. This essentially tanks the 09/10 season for SAS. At least try and grab Haywood instead of Thomas.
Yeah, but you are cherry picking drafts over maybe 15 years. This is not likely to be a strong draft; particularly there are prospects, but maybe 3 sure things (Griffin, Rubio, and maybe Harden). The rest of prospects have significant chances of busting relative to their expected draft position IMO...
You can called that UGLY (in capital letters, please) but I doubt Spurs can get more for Ginobili.
If you can convince the player to only take 80% of the rookie scale in his second year, the 5th pick will eat $1.87M of capspace.
You will sure have less cap space but you will also have one more talented player. All in all, it's a great deal.
Would this not put the Spurs into the luxury tax for next year? Also, wouldn't Etan has an ETO, so what would he have to do an by what date in order to make a trade work?
Would you rather this route or try and package Caron Butler + the 5th for Manu? Spurs would probably have to do a Bowen+Oberto for other expirings to save the Wiz money this year, but do you think that the Spurs could get better than Caron in 2010?
Spurs should be really close to the luxury tax, especially if Finley stays.
Thomas should pick his option before the draft if Spurs do this trade during the draft.
There is no way Wizards do Butler + 5th for Ginobili + expirings.
IMO, I wouldn't make the trade you propose. It's tanking any hope of a 09/10 championship, as we get no talent back for Ginobili; there's 1 pick in this draft (Griffin) who you can expect to contribute immediately. Your deal gets us a high pick in a bad draft, for which we sacrifice Gino's bird rights and first shot a negotiating with him. My personal hope for the 09/10 offseason starts with Ginobili accepting something like $30-35 million over 5 years before open negotiation start. This leaves SAS with room to pick up another ~ 10 million/year player. If we get the right player, we set up 2 more championship shots in Duncan's last 2 years on current contract.
I'm willing to trade down from a player of Ginobili's calibre, but not so far down as to lose another championship shot. Trade Ginobili to spread the talent between 2 players (Butler and Haywood in my suggestion) maybe, but for potential only. Not IMO...
If Spurs stick with the 2010 plan, there is basically no hope of winning the 09-10 championship.
It doesn't work because of the "over 36" rule. It's 4 years max for Ginobili's new contract.
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Yeah, Manu not playing more than 5 minutes in that game had nothing to do with them losing. No big loss, right ducks ?
Why do you hate on Manu so much ? Why can't you admit that the guy is a bad ass on the floor ? Is Coach Pop's opinion BS to you ? Is Kobe's opinion BS ?
Pop himself said that the Spurs would have 2 less championships if it wasn't for Manu. Tim can't do it all by himself and Manu has been a HUGE part of the Spurs success. He's not some 2 bit player who does well just because of Tim or Tony. That's ridiculous. If he was on any other team he would be putting up crazy stats.
The best thing about Manu is that he puts winning above everything else.
You think 09/10 is already without a shot. A core of Tim, Manu & Tony, assuming they are all healthy, simply isn't good enough now? Put the right role players in place, and I think we have a shot.
That adjusts the number to $24-28 Million, not the concept, which is to sign him for slightly more than the MLE, to act as an improved Brent Barry...
I don't think Spurs can get the right role players via trade/FA without taking salaries after 2010.
Well, chances are lower that Ginobili will sign for the near MLE if you can offer him only a 4 years contract instead of a 5 years contract.
Soooo.. It's not gonna go down then, right?
Thread closed.
I agree, I said the same earlier, but I meant do you think the Spurs push for this knowing full well they would except the 5th and just expirings for Gino in hopes Washington is willing to move Caron or would you rather the cap space?
I easily take Butler over the capspace.
Manu for #5 pick? Wizards is crazy.
The "2010" plan seems kind of like wishful thinking. What "big-time" free agrent is going to be interested in coming to SA?
It is a great deal for the Wizards and a terrible idea for the Spurs, at least next year. It could wind up being a good deal if they land a FA in 2010 with their cap space, but it is risky.
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