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    http://correspondents.theatlantic.co...looks_like.php

    What Socialism Looks Like

    Have you heard that the United States is headed toward socialism? Jonah Goldberg says it is. Alabama Senator Richard Shelby says it is. Phyllis Schlafly says it is. Richard Viguerie says it is. The Republican National Committee says it is. We must be getting pretty close.

    How close? This is what socialism looks like:



    The hot-pink portion of this pie chart is the percentage of listed American business assets that have recently been nationalized by the American government (ie, General Motors). Obama's version of socialism is so sneaky you can hardly see it!

    (And there is some reason to think this actually overstates the portion of the corporate landscape that's been nationalized, but more on that at the end of the post.*)

    There is a serious discussion to be had here, and I think Jon Henke is having it: Socialism, like farenheit, comes in degrees. Sure, a government that nationalizes GM is "more socialist" than one that does not, even if it doesn't mean we're living "under socialism." But differences of degree shouldn't obscure differences of kind, and as Tim Fernholz says, "it's clear that putting the government in charge of private production is not the Obama administration's guiding philosophy."

    If it were, 99.79% of the American corporate assets that existed at the start of the Obama administration would not remain in private hands. The differences of degree are so small that they aren't worth mentioning. And yet, somehow, they keep getting mentioned.

    Update: A couple of commenters have asked for a different chart, so I've posted another item on this here.

    http://correspondents.theatlantic.co...e_part_two.php

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    it's only been 5 months...give it time.


    Change doesn't happen overnight.
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    it's only been 5 months...give it time.

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    Obama Consumer Products:



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    If you only have 0.21% cancer, it won't spread. Just kidding.

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    If you only have 0.21% cancer, it won't spread. Just kidding.
    LOL...

    I like that example. Afterall, that's what socialism is. A cancer growing upon the American way.

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    Sooo....socialism started with Obama? I could've sworn socialism is older than some of yall here but I guess now is a good time to point that out.

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    Lots of blissninnys on this board:


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    Sooo....socialism started with Obama? I could've sworn socialism is older than some of yall here but I guess now is a good time to point that out.
    No, but he is and this congress plan to expand it faster than ever.

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    Your government cares more about growing themselves than the economy.

    It's disgusting.

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    So which other businesses are they taking over?

    What percentage of the business assets listed above do they plan on controlling?

    Let's see your numbers.

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    That is some funny .

    The government shouldn't have bailed out AIG, or any of the other financial instatutions. Period.

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    Lots of blissninnys on this board:

    Lots of doomsayers on this board:


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    wrongies prefer that Citi, BoA, Chrysler, GM, Wells Fargo and dozens of other screwed companies go bankrupt without US participation, meaning almost certainly liquidation. The wrongies don't have solutions, only trivial, incessant whinings.

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    That is some funny .

    The government shouldn't have bailed out AIG, or any of the other financial instatutions. Period.
    And it looks like they are going to turn Detroit into Delta City...

    I think most people here are too young to know where that symbol comes from, or its significance. Seem to have no responses from the times I've posted it.

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    So which other businesses are they taking over?

    What percentage of the business assets listed above do they plan on controlling?

    Let's see your numbers.
    why in the ing do they take over any?
    one is to ing ing ing ing many

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    wrongies prefer that Citi, BoA, Chrysler, GM, Wells Fargo and dozens of other screwed companies go bankrupt without US participation, meaning almost certainly liquidation. The wrongies don't have solutions, only trivial, incessant whinings.
    let them fail
    people lived without them before
    idiot
    or and wells fargo made big money last quarter
    they not need to worry about going down the toliet

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    wrongies prefer that Citi, BoA, Chrysler, GM, Wells Fargo and dozens of other screwed companies go bankrupt without US participation, meaning almost certainly liquidation. The wrongies don't have solutions, only trivial, incessant whinings.
    BoA?



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    Wild Goober doesn't get out much. Somebody let him on the secret code BoA. BoniVore? Buehler? Anyone?

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    Of course, that defines "socialism" as direct ownership.

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    And it looks like they are going to turn Detroit into Delta City...

    I think most people here are too young to know where that symbol comes from, or its significance. Seem to have no responses from the times I've posted it.
    I don't come to the political forum every day. Some of you guys are just too extreme for me. (I am moderate-independent, who generally leans left on domestic policy and right on foregin policy).

    OMG! I didn't even think about the Detroit-Delta City thing! HAHAHA! AWESOME.

    I actualy wish they would burn Detroit down and create a Delta City. All they have to do is give us mass transit... Something along the lines of Washington DC, combined with the high-speed rail to connect the main educational centers...

    But the Delta City angle. Brilliant!



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    ...its working for the Chinese...

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    So which other businesses are they taking over?

    What percentage of the business assets listed above do they plan on controlling?

    Let's see your numbers.

    Healthcare industry is about 15% gdp.

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    Is the plan to take over all the assets?

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