washington wants manu for the 5th pick

[TMTTRIO]

Of course there is always the Sean Elliott case where a player is traded, then comes back. I would love that for Manu, but he would have to except the MLE which might be a tough sale if he is healthy.

I can't see Manu coming back if he's traded. He's already accomplished all he can with the Spurs. Why would he come back if he was traded?

[rascal]

Manu for the 5th pick in this draft? NO. Give Manu ONE more yr to prove himself. I think TD, TP, Manu, and Bruce have at LEAST one more left in them...

They will not win if these are the top 4 players on the team anymore. Their window has closed. Its time to move on.

[modtxspur]

along with the fifth pick and trading up to the end of the end of the first round, watching this finals game Gortat would be a nice pick up

[smrattler]

Even if it were true that they wanted to do that trade, doesn't sound like there is much at the top of the draft to make this a sure thing for the Spurs. So, both teams would be taking risks.

I think the Spurs would be getting the bigger unknown, just my opinion.

[DPG21920]

I can't see Manu coming back if he's traded. He's already accomplished all he can with the Spurs. Why would he come back if he was traded?

I could. It would be a tough sale to Manu because his feelings might be hurt if he was traded. He might get over it and want to finish his career with the Spurs and go out with Tim.

[SouthTexasRancher]

Tell the Wizards we'll give em Vaughn, Udoka, Fin & Fab for the #5. Manu finishes his career as a Spur.

[loveforthegame]

Thats just great throwing away another one of Duncan's last years.

I was being saracastic. In an earlier post I said it depends on what the Wizards are asking us to take back but you'd have to think long and hard at this trade.

We could get someone like Hardin, Hill, Clark with that #5 pick.

I was just stating that the Spurs will probably stand pat and pick up one or two new players while another rival puts the package together that will make them better.

[jdaveah]

James Harden would be a great Manu replacement, and this is coming from a UA student who's had to watch Harden kill his team for two years. Harden fits the Spurs' ideal profile, extremely high bball IQ, cares first and foremost about his team, plays great defense, and he's not overly y.

Well coming from a UA alum, I don't know what games you've been watching. He gets his buckets in the paint in a similar way that Tony does except his teardrop has no arc. When he played NBA level talent such as the Lopez twins at Stanford and the last 2 years of tournament games, he was shut down. Would never want him for Manu.

[loveforthegame]

It's not about dissing or shipping Ginobli off without care but it has to be looked at.

Two years in a row we've sat around here saying if he was healthy this would have been a different series. Not many years left to see if he can stay healthy for the playoffs.

Sure, a top 5 pick isn't going to come in and replace what he gives. Neither is any free agent we bring in this summer. But we have to start somewhere.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I would do it. Pick the lankiest, most athletic, and hardworking small forward in the draft, one that will give 170% to learn everything he can from bruce bowen.

[vander]

5th for manu would be a big win for the Spurs

this must be done

[JustinJDW]

At first, I liked the idea, but not anymore. We are giving up too easily. The last time our Big 3 was 100% healthy in the Playoffs, we won the Championship. Let's give it one more shot. A redefined Tony Parker, healthy Ginobili and still effective Tim Duncan is enough.

Let's give it one more shot, before our Dynasty goes off into the sunset.

[vander]

At first, I liked the idea, but not anymore. We are giving up too easily. The last time our Big 3 was 100% healthy in the Playoffs, we won the Championship. Let's give it one more shot. A redefined Tony Parker, healthy Ginobili and still effective Tim Duncan is enough.

Let's give it one more shot, before our Dynasty goes off into the sunset.

there is no sunset, look at the Lakers, you reload on the fly

[JustinJDW]

there is no sunset, look at the Lakers, you reload on the fly

The Lakers got lucky that there was an idiot GM out there that would trade their All-Star Big Man to them for a bag of chips. The trade got a lot of criticism and controversy.

That idiot was also Jerry West. Coincidence?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

It's amazing that you have to keep explaining this, but I applaud your patience.

If the Wizards traded Butler and the 5th pick for Manu then the Washington GM should get fired for monumental stupidity. Butler is an all-star on a reasonable contract. If the Wizards want to get relief for all or most of his salary they won't have to pay for the privilege by giving away the 5th pick. There will be much better deals than Manu's expiring contract available, deals which will remove all or part of his salary without giving up the 5th pick.

This.

The only way the Spurs do it would be if Wizards include Butler, which they most certainly will not. Manu stays.

I wonder why some people like Ducks and Vander,who are notorious for their hatred towards Manu, think that he's finished, yet they expect other teams to know less than posters on a message board and give the Spurs all stars in exchange for a supposedly finished player? Make up your mind, otherwise it's just blind hatred, which it is.

[tim_duncan_fan]

This.

The only way the Spurs do it would be if Wizards include Butler, which they most certainly will not. Manu stays.

I wonder why some people like Ducks and Vander,who are notorious for their hatred towards Manu, think that he's finished, yet they expect other teams to know less than posters on a message board and give the Spurs all stars in exchange for a supposedly finished player? Make up your mind, otherwise it's just blind hatred, which it is.

I think they are just throwing out stuff that they wish would happen.

No one is going to give us anything good for Manu, because the truth is that he is injured and washed up.

In the coming season, we will have pretty much the same team (this means MORE FINLEY. YAYYY!) with no major additions and maybe (probably) the loss of Drew Gooden. We will bet the season on the idea that Manu can get back to all-star form and Pop will play Hill more in the hopes that he will become an outstanding bench player.

This is the plan for next year. It's not a very good plan, but it is the plan.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I think they are just throwing out stuff that they wish would happen.

No one is going to give us anything good for Manu, because the truth is that he is injured and washed up.

In the coming season, we will have pretty much the same team (this means MORE FINLEY. YAYYY!) with no major additions and maybe (probably) the loss of Drew Gooden. We will bet the season on the idea that Manu can get back to all-star form and Pop will play Hill more in the hopes that he will become an outstanding bench player.

This is the plan for next year. It's not a very good plan, but it is the plan.

I agree that this most likely is the plan, but I expect Manu to be on 07/08 level and to not be injured, at least not for more than 5-10 games.

In other words, while I realize we will not be favorites to win the championship, I believe we will be a contender and think it'd be the best way to follow this route in order to have maximum financial flexibility, unless there is a deal for some player we cannot turn down.

[TDMVPDPOY]

a cardboard box of tim duncan is more effective than finley when defending the post

[tim_duncan_fan]

a cardboard box of michael finley is more effective than finley when defending the post

fixed.

[spurspokesman]

Yeah. Keep manu. Washington is the only beneficiary in this scenario. This draft is weak. A 30% manu is better thean anything coming out this year. Plus the spurs dont have patience for development.

[Homeland Security]

Whatever. The Spurs might as well get a headstart on rebuilding. You aren't going to win any more championships with that team. All of you people are in denial: "Just give 93-year-old Bruce Bowen one more chance!!! I'm sure he's got it in him!!!" lol

Can't the Spurs do Duncan a favor and trade him to an up-and-coming contender like Portland so he can spend his last few years fighting for more les, rather than languishing on a 7-seed whose fans are forced to live in the past? After singlehandedly saving your franchise, don't you owe him that?

Anyway, the Wiz will get something for that pick.

[024]

i don't believe the spurs need a complete overhaul of the team to win another championship. they definitely need to get rid of their "veterans" because the big 3 is getting old and the spurs need to strike a balance of youth and veterans. other than the obvious deal of butler + 5th pick for ginobili, trading away ginobili to rebuild would be too rash of a decision for now.

ginobili straight up for a 5th pick + filler seems to make sense if the spurs do not see a point in pursuing a championship next season. the spurs would begin a short rebuilding mode of a year or two. this move would greatly increase the chances of winning in 2011 if they can sign a big player in 2010. would they rather sign an all star in 2010 and lose manu or lose manu now, sign an all star in 2010, AND have the 5th pick in 2009? but they have to be really confident that they can sign an all star in 2010 and that they will no longer need ginobili.

[Extra Stout]

i don't believe the spurs need a complete overhaul of the team to win another championship. they definitely need to get rid of their "veterans" because the big 3 is getting old and the spurs need to strike a balance of youth and veterans.

You just contradicted yourself. If the Spurs get rid of their "veterans," that involves reworking most of the roster, i.e. a complete overhaul of the team around the big 3.

[Mel_13]

there is no sunset, look at the Lakers, you reload on the fly

Except for the fact that the Lakers did not reload on the fly.

34-48 Lottery
45-37 1st round exit
42-40 1st round exit

[024]

You just contradicted yourself. If the Spurs get rid of their "veterans," that involves reworking most of the roster, i.e. a complete overhaul of the team around the big 3.

nope, i consider a complete overhaul a changing of the spurs' core, which is the big 3. as long as the spurs keep the big 3, they will not be changing the main component of this team.