How did ORL lose that game?

[TheMACHINE]

Did they miss a goal tending call that would have won the game for the magic?

the one in the first quarter against howard? You're right they definately missed that

[underdawg]

Hedo shouldn't complain he uses his off arm to shove players away on nearly every play. Dude would foul out in 5 minutes if the refs bothered to call that.

And Gasol's supposed "goaltend" had no effect on Lee's shot going in. Lee missed by a mile. You can clearly see that in the replay. DPG is reaching and grasping for straws again.

Give it a rest with this ref conspiracy BS.

Hedo's off arm was being used to defend the contact by Ariza - refs saw that and that's why they didn't call a foul. Fish's contact during screens on the other hand continues to be a non-call and somtimes an offensive foul - that's kind of BS. A player should be allowed to set a screen without the defensive player running through it.

[John Ameachi]

Where do these people come from?

You should know where I come from....I'm John Amaechi, some troll made me intentionally spell my name wrong....anyways, I'm a gay center for the Utah Jazz. Why do you think I like quickerblade's avatar so much.

[carrao45]

Read my other posts. If they would have called Dwight's, would the game have ended right there? If they would have called Pau's, would the game have ended? There is the difference.

2 wrongs do not make a right and who cares if Lee was not going to make it, that is not the rule. But like I said before, that was not the "reason" the Magic lost. Just a missed call in a crucial moment that would have resulted in a Magic win.

The rule is "if u touch the rim or net in a way that affects the way the ball bounces, then it is a goaltend." gasol touching the rim had no effect of the outcome of the shot and you know it.
PLUS you are forgetting Howard stuck his hand THROUGH THE RIM to goaltend Gasol's shot.

Magic got away with a BLATANT goaltend
Lakers did not even goaltend.

End Of Discussion

[DPG21920]

Did they miss a goal tending call that would have won the game for the magic?

the one in the first quarter against howard? You're right they definately missed that

A call they should have made AGAINST Howard would have resulted in the Magic winning? I know what you were trying to say, but read before you post.

[HarlemHeat37]

the 1st reason they lost was Courtney Lee's choking..yes, he's a rookie, but those were 2 huge shots..the 1st one was understandable, even though he should have made that..the potential game winner was horrible..that was maybe the worst defense I've ever seen by a championship team, but they got away with it..Lee has to make that..

the 2nd reason was reffing, any unbiased observer should have seen this..yes, it's annoying when people complain about refs, but it was pretty obvious..the key plays were the 3 CONSECUTIVE plays down the stretch..Turkoglu gets called for an offensive foul, even though that play happens on almost every possession..followed by Kobe receiving a phantom call on Pietrus, where Dwight cleanly blocked him..then Kobe slips on the inbound, and receives free throws when they call it on Turkoglu..

the Gasol goaltend was also very clear, but it didn't look like it affected the shot..I highly doubt LA doesn't get that call if they are the team on offense though..

this was Orlando's game..they lost it due to a combination of choking from guys like Lee and Re , and from bad officiating down the stretch in the 4th quarter..

[DPG21920]

Section I-A Player Shall Not:
a. Touch the ball or the basket ring when the ball is using the basket ring as its lower base.
EXCEPTION: If a player near his own basket has his hand legally in contact with the ball, it is not a violation if his contact with the ball continues after the ball enters the cylinder, or if, in such action, he touches the basket.
b. Touch the ball when it is above the basket ring and within the imaginary cylinder.
c. For goaltending to occur, the ball, in the judgment of the official, must have a chance to score.
d. During a field goal attempt, touch a ball after it has touched any part of the backboard above ring level, whether the ball is considered on its upward or downward flight.
e. During a field goal attempt, touch a ball after it has touched the backboard below the ring level and while the ball is on its upward flight.
f. Trap the ball against the face of the backboard. (To be a trapped ball, three elements must exist simultaneously. The hand, the ball and the backboard must all occur at the same time. A batted ball against the backboard is not a trapped ball.)
g. Touch any live ball from within the playing area that is on its downward flight with an opportunity to touch the basket ring. This is considered to be a "field goal attempt" or trying for a goal.
h. Touch the ball at any time with a hand which is through the basket ring.
i. Vibrate the rim or backboard so as to cause the ball to make an unnatural bounce.
PENALTY: If the violation is at the opponent's basket, the offended team is awarded two points, if the attempt is from the two point zone and three points if it is from the three point zone. The crediting of the score and subsequent procedure is the same as if the awarded score has resulted from the ball having gone through the basket, except that the official shall hand the ball to a player of the team en led to the throw-in. If the violation is at a team's own basket, no points can be scored and the ball is awarded to the offended team at the free throw line extended on either sideline. If there is a violation by both teams, play shall be resumed by a jump ball between any two opponents at the center circle.

[DPG21920]

Section I-A Player Shall Not:
a. Touch the ball or the basket ring when the ball is using the basket ring as its lower base.
EXCEPTION: If a player near his own basket has his hand legally in contact with the ball, it is not a violation if his contact with the ball continues after the ball enters the cylinder, or if, in such action, he touches the basket.
b. Touch the ball when it is above the basket ring and within the imaginary cylinder.
c. For goaltending to occur, the ball, in the judgment of the official, must have a chance to score.
d. During a field goal attempt, touch a ball after it has touched any part of the backboard above ring level, whether the ball is considered on its upward or downward flight.
e. During a field goal attempt, touch a ball after it has touched the backboard below the ring level and while the ball is on its upward flight.
f. Trap the ball against the face of the backboard. (To be a trapped ball, three elements must exist simultaneously. The hand, the ball and the backboard must all occur at the same time. A batted ball against the backboard is not a trapped ball.)
g. Touch any live ball from within the playing area that is on its downward flight with an opportunity to touch the basket ring. This is considered to be a "field goal attempt" or trying for a goal.
h. Touch the ball at any time with a hand which is through the basket ring.
i. Vibrate the rim or backboard so as to cause the ball to make an unnatural bounce.
PENALTY: If the violation is at the opponent's basket, the offended team is awarded two points, if the attempt is from the two point zone and three points if it is from the three point zone. The crediting of the score and subsequent procedure is the same as if the awarded score has resulted from the ball having gone through the basket, except that the official shall hand the ball to a player of the team en led to the throw-in. If the violation is at a team's own basket, no points can be scored and the ball is awarded to the offended team at the free throw line extended on either sideline. If there is a violation by both teams, play shall be resumed by a jump ball between any two opponents at the center circle.

[lefty]

The Lakers had no business winning the game. I'm still baffled as to how the Magic managed to lose this one.

Your Sig !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DPG21920]

If the refs thought that the ball had absolutely no chance of going in, then good call.

[DrHouse]

I don't see any mention from ya'll about the missed calls that went against LAL. Why is that? Kobe got called for the ball bouncing off him when the replay clearly showed it did not bounce off him. That call changed the game too.

The fact is both teams had blown calls go against them in the game.

[iggypop123]

If the refs thought that the ball had absolutely no chance of going in, then good call.

so you are saying the lakers got screwed cause the gasol play was inside the basket when howard blocked through the net.

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't see any mention from ya'll about the missed calls that went against LAL. Why is that? Kobe got called for the ball bouncing off him when the replay clearly showed it did not bounce off him. That call changed the game too.

The fact is both teams had blown calls go against them in the game.

the game shouldn't have went that far..

the 3 calls I mentioned were all one after the other, and they were down the stretch in a close game which would have clearly given Orlando momentum..

I'm not mad, LA is going to win this series regardless..this is the NBA though, it's expected..

[TheMACHINE]

Read my other posts. If they would have called Dwight's, would the game have ended right there? If they would have called Pau's, would the game have ended? There is the difference.

2 wrongs do not make a right and who cares if Lee was not going to make it, that is not the rule. But like I said before, that was not the "reason" the Magic lost. Just a missed call in a crucial moment that would have resulted in a Magic win.

"hypocrisy" at its finist.

[TheMACHINE]

the game shouldn't have went that far..

the 3 calls I mentioned were all one after the other, and they were down the stretch in a close game which would have clearly given Orlando momentum..

I'm not mad, LA is going to win this series regardless..this is the NBA though, it's expected..

and u about calls every single game the Lakers win...as expected

[HarlemHeat37]

and u about calls every single game the Lakers win...as expected

I do?..

[DPG21920]

do you are saying the lakers got screwed cause the gasol play was inside the basket when howard blocked through the net.

What? First you say a call that should have gone against Howard would have won the game for the Magic, then this. Read before you post.

[iggypop123]

What? First you say a call that should have gone against Howard would have won the game for the Magic, then this. Read before you post.

you quoted me before i edited

[Showtime24 LAKERS]

I don't see any mention from ya'll about the missed calls that went against LAL. Why is that? Kobe got called for the ball bouncing off him when the replay clearly showed it did not bounce off him. That call changed the game too.

The fact is both teams had blown calls go against them in the game.

can you say 3 seconds....like my god diwght is in the paint more then anyone...7 seconds at one time in the game

[DPG21920]

"hypocrisy" at its finist.

Please explain. Or do you not understand the definition. I am a hypocrite because I say calls at the end of games matter much more because the time teams have to recover is less and that if a ref misses a call at the beginning of a game he should miss it again at the end because of that?

[TheMACHINE]

I do?..

yes you do.

[DPG21920]

you quoted me before i edited

Read then post. Not post then edit.

[KSeal]

There were bad calls on both sides of the ball. A horrible missed GT on Dwight where he put his hand THROUGH THE BASKET and there was no call and then later the ball was called off Kobe when clearly it was off Turk, then they could have called a GT on Gasol but it had absolutely no affect on the shot itself. The Lakers pulled out a huge win and the Magic couldn't get the job done.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

god these arguments DPG vs. Laker fans are always really annoying.

[TheMACHINE]

Please explain. Or do you not understand the definition. I am a hypocrite because I say calls at the end of games matter much more because the time teams have to recover is less and that if a ref misses a call at the beginning of a game he should miss it again at the end because of that?

ur a hypocrit cuz your ing about a call that had the same outcome for both teams...2 points NOT on the board.

What makes is worst..one was WAY more obvious than the other.