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Anybody who would take KG at this stage in his career over big Al is a dumbass
Al Jefferson.
In two years, that trade will look like a steal for the T'Wolves.
Anybody who would take KG at this stage in his career over big Al is a dumbass
In two years Marc Gasol will be putting up fantastic numbers for the Grizz.
Al Jefferson is a great player. He wouldn't have helped Boston win a le if you replace KG with him last year. McHale being involved makes it just as suspect. Again not as much of a gift as Gasol but still a gift nonetheless.
Al Jefferson is already superior to KG offensively.
Celtics won a le. They wont regret it.
I bet you many teams would salvage their "future" to win a le.
Isnt that what teams routinely do in baseball?
Good one.
That's like Laker Fan saying the Grizzlies would make the playoffs this year.
It was a classic now for later trade. Both teams will come out looking good. Celtics got their championship. The T'Wolves have a player they can build around for the next decade.
Both teams would do that trade again.
Celtics wouldn't and they'd be justified with that decision. Statistically, you'd take Jefferson over Duncan as well but it's more than that that makes guys like Duncan and KG more valuable than Jefferson.
Or when they were talking about all the potential Javaris Crittenton had
That's like Laker Fan saying the Grizzlies would make the playoffs this year.
Forget KG, Orlando is down 0-2
KG is way better than Jefferson.
Obviously not..but Boston doesn't get KG without getting Allen..if they don't get Allen, they'll be rebuilding and will keep Jefferson..Minnesota was looking to get a player for the future no matter what..they weren't going after a player that would help them now(they got one anyways)..Boston clearly had to give up a future piece that they got from sucking for a few years..
another interesting thing is that if Pietrus doesn't foul out on the phantom call vs. Kobe, he would be in Lee's position for the last 2 plays..Pietrus is a better finisher, has more length, and jumps higher than Lee..it's interesting how works out..
That's like Laker Fan saying the Grizzlies would make the playoffs this year.
It was a classic now for later trade. Both teams will come out looking good. Celtics got their championship. The T'Wolves have a player they can build around for the next decade.
Both teams would do that trade again.
So if Marc Gasol becomes a 20/10 guy, does that make the Pao trade not a gift? Of course not.
Yes the Wolves appeared to get more value than Memphis but it was still a gift. I can't see how you'd think it wasn't just because of Jefferson.
I'm being serious hooker.
That's like Laker Fan saying the Grizzlies would make the playoffs this year.
Uh, Gasol was a second round pick. Jefferson was already a budding All-Star. Huge difference.
Huh?
If the Lakers would have given up a Jefferson (or even a Bynum) for Gasol, it wouldn't have been a gift.
Ah typical Spur fan reaction to a Laker win.
1.) Blame the refs
2.) Blame Jerry West and bring up the Gasol trade
3.) Cry about the NBA David Stern conspiracy
You guys never disappoint
KG trade wasnt a gift because it benefited both teams and KG's time in Minnesota was done.
Marc Gasol is a decent player but he's no Al Jefferson.
Crittenton?
Kwame Brown?
OK 3 role players doesn't = rising star
Yeah LA gave them Marc Gasol, Javaris Crittenton and two late round picks, but chances are none of those four will have anywhere near the impact of Al Jefferson.
I still think there was nothing wrong with the trade, but Boston's trade was way less lopsided.
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Your arguments are getting really old and annoying. Just let it go.
Manu Ginobili was a second round pick. What's your point?
It's all in what the talent evaluators of a team think they see.
If the Spurs traded Tim Duncan for Zach Randolph and Marcus Camby, and a first round pick, on paper, it's a good one for the Spurs because Zach puts up slightly better numbers and is younger. But we all know it wouldn't be a good trade for the Spurs. It would be a gift to the Clippers even though the Spurs get a good, younger player in return.
Al Jefferson puts up good numbers. He's been on lottery teams four out of his five seasons. He appears to have a good future. So does Marc Gasol. Al Jefferson hasn't shown anything in his career that would lead you to believe he can help a team win. Individually, great. He's always on losing teams, and mostly really, really bad losing teams at that. So, no, it doesn't change the fact that Kevin McHale still made a gift trade to Boston.
Marc Gasol very well could end up being a better player than Andrew Bynum. It's all about perception. Back from 1999-2003, 99% of the league's GMs would have taken Corey Maggette over Manu Ginobili. Wasn't Marc Gasol also a Euro league MVP? It's all about perception.Huh?
If the Lakers would have given up a Jefferson (or even a Bynum) for Gasol, it wouldn't have been a gift.
I'm not saying Pau Gasol wasn't a gift. I'm just saying KG was too. Al Jefferson is a good young prospect who puts up good numbers on bad teams. Marc Gasol was less of a known prospect because he hadn't played in the NBA yet. Still a very good prospect who some probably thought would have a chance to be a quality player in the league given the bloodlines and the fact that other Spaniards had done well in the league. That doesn't mean his value was so overwhelming less to allow you to draw such a huge distinction between the two trades.
It hasn't benefited Minnesota yet. They still lost over 50 games, still a lottery team. And in a few years, the Pau trade may end up being a benefit for Memphis as well.
At any rate, I didn't suggest Marc Gasol was Al Jefferson. Not my argument at all. My argument is that Al Jefferson being a very good player doesn't make the KG trade not a gift. The trade instantly got the Celtics a le. The Timberwolves were still one of the worst teams in the league. It's a lopsided trade as of now. And, again, if you argue that Al Jefferson will be good for the future of the Timberwolves, the same can be potentially argued for Marc Gasol and Darrell Arthur (from the Crittenton trade) for Memphis.
This is why arguments last so long. People have to keep explaining themselves over and over and things get so ridiculously misconstrued on ST. Especially with the "mob mentality" that goes on sometimes.
Jams argument is valid. Yes Al Jefferson is the safer bet and better as of right now, but it could change. You can debate how likely that is or that just because the Wolves have not won a le that it was bad for the wolves.
They were not winning a le with KG and they would be a very bad team if you replaced Al with KG now.
If the Grizzlies sign a top tier player with the cap space created by the Gasol trade it won't even be close. Top tier player + starting cetner + Darrell Arthur + 2 other 1st round prospects > Al Jefferson and Sebastion ing Telfair.
By the way, Al Jefferson is a horrible defensive player. He hasn't proven he's not the next Z-Bo unless he can recover from his ACL injury and actually lead the Wolves somewhere other than the lotteyr
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