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    dangerous floater Winehole23's Avatar
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    i believe i said if they plead guilty without coercion. i think i stated that twice and very clearly. i'm not saying imprison anyone that smells like a camel and has a beard. come on now.
    Can you see how that might be construed as fulfilling their explicit wish to become martyrs?

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    Are you really that re ed? Do we have to spell out the distinctions regarding consent for you?

    And there were women with uncovered faces there too!
    And women who could read!

    A hardcore Islamists would lose his freakin mind on that show.

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    Have a reality show, like Cops, so that people will know what to expect when it happens to them.

    Clever.
    I'm liking how you are thinking young man. I am thinking a few speicals. We don't want to give away all the secrets to our American killers,rapist,child molestors.... Baby steps. Only for people we know did the crime...Like a Casey Anthony.

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    Can you see how that might be construed as fulfilling their explicit wish to become martyrs?
    dude, you can't have your cake and eat it, too. make up your mind.

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    And there were women with uncovered faces there too!
    And women who could read!

    A hardcore Islamists would lose his freakin mind on that show.
    Is this part of your schtick too? Pretenting to have ADD so you can duck out of a corner you've painted yourself into?

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    dude, you can't have your cake and eat it, too. make up your mind.
    Already made up. The government should have to show how good its hand is. They shouldn't be allowed to bluff it.

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    Is this part of your schtick too? Pretenting to have ADD so you can duck out of a corner you've painted yourself into?


    It must suck to be completely humorless.

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    Already made up. The government should have to show how good its hand is. They shouldn't be allowed to bluff it.
    i'm trying to understand you. are you saying even if we try and find a terrorist guilty that we shouldn't terminate them? just imprison them for life? and remember, no coercion in finding them guilty

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    ... after gettin caught throwing away cards on the sly.
    Last edited by Winehole23; 06-09-2009 at 05:44 PM.

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    i'm trying to understand you. are you saying even if we try and find a terrorist guilty that we shouldn't terminate them? just imprison them for life? and remember, no coercion in finding them guilty
    The universe of possible penalty outcomes should receive due consideration IMO before being dismissed as possibilities. The cases we are talking about are capital cases, and these can have foreseeable political ramifications.

    Alternatives to execution deserve to exist (at least) in the conversation about the decision to execute or not IMO. It's all speculative at this point, but it can't hurt to be careful. Men's lives are staked to the outcome of the proceedings.
    Last edited by Winehole23; 06-09-2009 at 05:06 PM.

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    i'm trying to understand you. are you saying even if we try and find a terrorist guilty that we shouldn't terminate them? just imprison them for life? and remember, no coercion in finding them guilty
    Martyrdom denied = no martyrdom.

    I think the rumors that Ramzi Yousef converted to Christianity is worth the cost of keeping him alive.

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    Do it. Cases get dropped and PD's sued because they breathe too hard on a suspect.

    I would love for Uncle Sam to waterboard me. (jk fbi) I'd claim 8th amendment on those suckas. THUG LIFE

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    Do it. Cases get dropped and PD's sued because they breathe too hard on a suspect.
    Not at Bagram and Gitmo. They're lucky to get any charges at all there.

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    It must suck to be completely humorless.
    You're only funny when you're not trying to be.

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    Not at Bagram and Gitmo. They're lucky to get any charges at all there.
    That is wrong. However, they are not U.S. citizens.

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    Gitmo sucks at proving terrorist crimes. If somebody claims otherwise, put the cards on the table.

    The fruits of investigation were -- to a significant degree -- tainted by the method. Coercion and physical duress the evidence.
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    That is wrong. However, they are not U.S. citizens.
    However, habeas and Common article 3 still apply per Boumediene.

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW1N1X88KH0

    winehole, i bring this jackass to the table. what would you do with him? i'd say ship his ass to gitmo and forget about him.

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    (double post)
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    winehole, i bring this jackass to the table. what would you do with him? i'd say ship his ass to gitmo and forget about him.
    You're wrong. That's an easy one. Our criminal justice system is perfectly suited for the likes of him.

    Prosecute him. When he's found guilty, sentence him.

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    You're wrong. That's an easy one. Our criminal justice system is perfectly suited for the likes of him.

    Prosecute him. When he's found guilty, sentence him.
    I agree. Gitmo is for battlefield detainees and organized Jihad fighters. Not an animal who used religion as a reason to quench his blood thirst.

    Still, I say someone who acts like an animal, put him down like one. At least cage him like one. I am in favor of the death penalty.

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    What about people like Timothy McVeigh? Didn't we process him through our court system? I think that seemed to be quite effective. We were able to try him fairly, he was found guilty, and went to jail.

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    Sounds like a great idea. Maybe we can raise King George from the dead while we're at it.

    No you fools, we don't need the government torturing its own citizens. Who in their right mind would willfully give that kind of power to the state?

    Believe it or not, the world did indeed function before 9/11 happened. Yes, horrible serial killers and domestic terrorists were, in fact, prosecuted under our legal system. It's true!

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    What about people like Timothy McVeigh? Didn't we process him through our court system? I think that seemed to be quite effective. We were able to try him fairly, he was found guilty, and went to jail.
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    What about people like Timothy McVeigh? Didn't we process him through our court system? I think that seemed to be quite effective. We were able to try him fairly, he was found guilty, and went to jail.

    We killed him, but at least we didn't water board him.

    Whew, what a relief.

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