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He seems to be an okay ref until the last few minutes when it really counts...I think he enjoys being a factor in the game.
Props to our favorite ref. That was the epitome of officiating excellence tonight when you called a foul on Dwight Howard where he got all ball (two hands worth) on a Kobe drive late, and you called it from the outside position forty freakin' feet away from the play.
Chrome dome needs to go the way of Violet Palmer
He seems to be an okay ref until the last few minutes when it really counts...I think he enjoys being a factor in the game.
Why is this dirtbag still working in the NBA?
dwight grabbed kobe pinky therefore its a foul
Why? Was she fired or something?Chrome dome needs to go the way of Violet Palmer
Props to our favorite ref. That was the epitome of officiating excellence tonight when you called a foul on Dwight Howard where he got all ball (two hands worth) on a Kobe drive late, and you called it from the outside position forty freakin' feet away from the play.
Chrome dome needs to go the way of Violet Palmer
I think the refs were trying to even out the box score so they hide their agendas. But we all know the last 6 minutes are all Lakers calls
Anybody got a gif or photo of this?Props to our favorite ref. That was the epitome of officiating excellence tonight when you called a foul on Dwight Howard where he got all ball (two hands worth) on a Kobe drive late, and you called it from the outside position forty freakin' feet away from the play.
Chrome dome needs to go the way of Violet Palmer
Classic Laker Marketing b.s. with El doing his job for them.
spurscenterend of Laker games are not basketball. Sometimes start and middle too.But we all know the last 6 minutes are all Lakers calls
It never ceases to amaze me. How do they keep giving this guy games to call?
He never gets to officiate Games 1 or finishing Games 5 with a team up 3-1.
What's the probability of that happening by chance?
no she was not fired. i think they were just using an example of an official that wouldn't suck as bad as joey crawford.
she was actually just promoted to something like wnba western conference officiating coordinator. she will still be in the nba but she 'only' has 12 years tenure. the playoffs are scheduled based on seniority and performance, right? i think she only has a handful of playoff games on her resume and joey crawford for some reason has managed to work for something like 25 years.
wasn't his return from suspenion very low key? for as much as i heard that he would not apologize to david stern for treating duncan like dirt, i didn't hear a word about him actually admitting he was wrong and therefore being reinstated.
he really gives philadelphia a bad name.
At least Tim Duncan's 2nd most loved official has finally retired. 72 yr old Jack Nies, along with two other over-60 refs, retired this week.Props to our favorite ref. That was the epitome of officiating excellence tonight when you called a foul on Dwight Howard where he got all ball (two hands worth) on a Kobe drive late, and you called it from the outside position forty freakin' feet away from the play.
Chrome dome needs to go the way of Violet Palmer
http://sev.prnewswire.com/sports/200...8062009-1.html
Violet Palmer, however, will unfortunately continue to work as an NBA official.
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/...h-the-NBA.html
I guess the AP was wrong about Violet.
All the initial reports assumed that taking the college job meant she was giving up the NBA job. Corrections came out a day or two later.
I like what the Sports Guy said on this issue. The NBA needs to let the old guys go out to pasture and start bringing in some fresh young guys. Seriously, my dad is younger than these guys, and he has a hard time seeing things. How can a 72 year old really see everything that's going on in a game? He can't. That's why there is so many missed calls. The Sports Guy also mentioned that there is no school or academy to try and bring in new fresh refs. I think it would benefit the League for them to open one up. Train some young guys to bring in. I think there should be an age requirement to become a ref and when you HAVE to retire.
Just get ready. If this series goes 7, Joey's certainly got either Game 6 or Game 7. I'm guessing he's got Game 7 and probably with Salvatore.
+steve javie
They may actually be doing this. Nies (72), Clark (66), and Grillo (60) just retired and Bavetta (69) looks like he is out of the rotation for the NBA Finals.
Damn, thought Violet was out completely with the collegiate officiating thing. Now she's working two jobs? She sucked as an NBA ref and now some of her time is going to be devoted to being a supervisor? Epic fail...
Agree with FWD though, somehow I suspect we see this sorry sack of dogcrap call another game in the Finals if we get to a game 6-7 situation.
Since Javie worked Game 2, it's possible -- even probable -- that he will be the crew chief for a Game 6.
There are only 4 crew chiefs in the Finals and that's then weeded down to 3 for the last 3 games. Dan Crawford, Steve Javie, and Joe Crawford have been the crew chiefs in Games 1, 2, and 3. My hunch is that Salvatore is the chief for Game 4 and that his crew will include Scott Foster and either Bavetta or Mike Callahan. I also think that Salvatore will be the guy who isn't a chief in the last 3 games. (I say that because he's twice worked games this post season in which he wasn't the crew chief (Game 7 of Atlanta/Miami and Game 6 of Orlando/Cleveland)).
Left to guess how the assignments will go from here, I'm thinking it might look like this:
Game 4 -- Salvatore, Callahan, Foster
Game 5 -- D. Crawford (worked Gm. 1), Derosa (Gm. 1), Mauer (Gm. 1)
Game 6 -- Javie (Gm. 2), McCutchen (Gm. 2), Wunderlich (Gm. 3)
Game 7 -- J. Crawford (Gm. 3), Salvatore (Gm. 4), Foster (Gm. 4)
The league was much more predictable from 1999-2006 in the Game 5, 6, and 7 assignments. It used to be that the Game 5 crew was some combination of the Game 1 and Game 2 crews, that the Game 6 crew was some combination of the Game 2 and Game 3 crews, and that the Game 7 crew was some combination of the Game 3 and Game 4 crews. For instance, here were the assignments for the 2005 Finals:
Game 1: Javie, Callahan, Garretson
Game 2: D. Crawford, Fryer, Nies
Game 3: J. Crawford, Delaney, Salvatore
Game 4: Bavetta, Derosa, Rush
Game 5: Javie (Gm. 1), Callahan (Gm. 1), Garretson (Gm. 1)
Game 6: D. Crawford (Gm. 2), Fryer (Gm. 2), Salvatore (Gm. 3)
Game 7: J. Crawford (Gm. 3), Bavetta (Gm. 4), Rush (Gm. 4)
The same holds up over other years that featured long Finals series. In 2006 the rotation looked like this:
Game 1: J. Crawford, Derosa, Salvatore
Game 2: Javie, Delaney, Rush
Game 3: D. Crawford, Mauer, Nies
Game 4: Bavetta, Callahan, Fryer
Game 5: J. Crawford (Gm. 1), Derosa (Gm. 1), Salvatore (Gm. 1)
Game 6: D. Crawford (Gm. 3), Javie (Gm. 2), Rush (Gm. 2)
In 2003 it went this way:
Game 1: Bavetta, J. Crawford, Derosa
Game 2: D. Crawford, Delaney, Salvatore
Game 3: Javie, Garretson, Nies
Game 4: Fryer, Callahan, Rush
Game 5: Bavetta (Gm. 1), J. Crawford (Gm. 1), Salvatore (Gm. 2)
Game 6: D. Crawford (Gm. 2), Delaney (Gm. 2), Garretson (Gm. 3)
An in 2000 it followed form as well:
Game 1: D. Crawford, Nies, Durham
Game 2: J. Crawford, Salvatore, Rush
Game 3: Fryer, Garretson, Evans
Game 4: Bavetta, Javie, Nunn
Game 5: D. Crawford (Gm. 1), Nies (Gm. 1), Salvatore (Gm. 2)
Game 6: J. Crawford (Gm. 2), Evans (Gm. 3), Garretson (Gm. 3)
With all of that said, last year, the Game 5 crew followed form -- Bavetta and Foster worked Game 1 and Game 5 and Ken Mauer worked Game 2 and Game 5. But Game 6 did not -- J. Crawford and Salvatore worked Game 3 and Game 6, but Ed Rush worked Game 1 and Game 6. Working backwards from what was left, I think the Game 7 crew last year would have been Steve Javie, Dan Crawford, and Bob Delaney (since I don't think Wunderlich, Derosa, or Washington was going to get the nod for Game 7), but that would have also broken from the tradition since Javie worked Game 4, but D. Crawford and Delaney each worked Game 2.
Ugh. Not as easy as it used to be.
I'm not yet sure about Bavetta -- we'll see tomorrow morning. ie B hasn't worked since Game 2 of the WCF. But what I'm not sure about is whether he was in line to get Game 7 of the ECF had there been one, given that he didn't work a single ECF game this year.
It's a bit odd to have dropped him that early from the roster, given that he began the playoffs as one of the 8 crew chiefs in Round 1. It strikes me as somewhat unlikely that one of the 8 officials elite enough to be crew chiefs at any point in these playoffs would get surpassed by a non-chief for the Finals.
So far, we've seen 5 of those crew chiefs work the Finals (D. Crawford, Javie, McCutchen, J. Crawford, and Wunderlich) and, as I noted, it seems quite probable that the another 2 (Salvatore and Foster) are working Game 4. The 4 non-chiefs who got the Finals assignment are Joe Derosa, Ken Mauer, Tom Washington, and Derrick Stafford. Since there seems to be 1 spot open for Game 4, I think it's either going to go to Bavetta, based on his merit in being a crew chief in these playoffs, or to Mike Callahan (though it could also be someone like Ron Garretson or Bill Spooner, I guess).
Kobe "Man ill give u 5 grand a whistle"
Peter Vecsey is not the most reliable source of NBA information, but in a column published after Game 1 he reported the 12 primary and 4 alternate Finals refs as if it was set in stone and came directly from Bernie Fryer (Vescey doesn't have a very high opinion of Bernie).
The 12 primary:
Danny Crawford, Joe DeRosa, Ken Mauer (last night's Game 1 crew), Joe Crawford, Mike Callahan, Scott Foster, Steve Javie, Bennett Salvatore, Derrick Stafford, Tom Washington, Mark Wunderlich and Monty McCutchen.
The 4 alternates:
The Finals' four alternates -- James Capers, Marc Davis, Bill Kennedy, Bill Spooner
http://www.nypost.com/seven/06052009...oke_172692.htm
I went looking for that very information right before the Finals started and couldn't find it. It makes sense that Callahan is the 12th official, since he worked Game 7 of Lakers/Rockets and Game 6 of Lakers/Nuggets -- both high-end games that get Finals-level officials on the call.
I said before (in Round 2) that we might be seeing the slow end of Bavetta and this would appear to further prove that point.
Thanks for the heads-up.
What's fascinating to me about Vecsey's piece is that as fans are ing that the older officials are getting more and more big games, and as the league is starting to respond to those concerns by infusing younger officials into the cadre of the elite whistleblowers, Vecsey is bent that the old guys are being phased out.
For all of the crap he takes, Bavetta is a great official from a technical standpoint. He most certainly manipulates games by choosing what to call and what not to call, but in general, he's good enough to make sure that those choices come on borderline plays and not on obvious ones.
For whatever it's worth, removing Bavetta from the ranks of Finals officials makes all of those guys under 60 and makes Salvatore the oldest official in that group:
59 -- Salvatore
57 -- J. Crawford
55 -- D. Crawford
54 -- Javie, Mauer
52 -- Derosa, Stafford, Spooner
51 -- Washington, Wunderlich
50 -- Callahan
48 -- Capers
43 -- McCutchen
42 -- Foster, Kennedy
41 -- Davis
Werd. That foul was BS.
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