in other words, a straight up trade for kobe or lebron is the only way Manu doesn't end his career as a spur.
Kind of interesting now that he said this especially since not too long ago he talked about how not too many players end their careers playing for the team that they started with and it seems interesting that he would say this now after Manu said he might be traded and let go. CIA Pop
The Harvey blog does not say that the Wizards were the team that called last year. I think it is more likely that he was referring to the rumors surrounding a possible trade for Vince Carter. While the reports at the time did not mention Manu as part of a possible trade, that doesn't mean that the Nets didn't ask for him.
Refresh my memory...who is this mythical player that we will trade Manu for that can help us win now?
I think Manu is staying put, barring a "stupid" offer from another team.
I asked myself this same question as DRob's career was winding down: How many teams in the league would jump at the chance to have Manu on their team?
The answer is, I don't think there would be many (if any) teams that wouldn't want him for his skills, leadership, and experience. Not to mention, his heart. According to a post that I read recently (sorry, don't have the link), there was video of Kobe saying something like, "That's a bad man" when he saw Manu sitting on the bench.
I'm going to leave it up to the FO to make the decisions, but as for me, I think he's staying.
good now the idiots on this board can stop spouting nonsense
You underestimate them
I'm glad Popovich, Harvey, et al. are reinforcing what most of us have been saying all along: Manu is not going to be traded, barring "an offer that they can't refuse."
As I've said before, I wouldn't wait until the end of the season to start talking about extension/new contract. Make sure he can get through training camp and the first month or two of the season, then get it done. That way you don't worry about competing bids over the summer, and you can use the "threat of injury" argument to shave off a million or two. Negotiations in March through July creates too big a threat of distraction or losing him.
The two year contract that Harvey suggests makes sense. I've been saying 3 years for a while now, and I think you can get him for a decent amount less per year if you throw in that extra year.
Agreed, but I don't think that will happen unless Manu retires from the NT. I can't see the Spurs assuming the risk of future injuries unless Manu is willing to commit to only playing for the Spurs for the rest of his career.
Unfortunately, Pop does not always get what he wants and Holt wields more power than fans realize.
CIA Pop is telling the truth, but he is also simultaneously raising the price of any Ginobili deal. He is telling all potential trade partners "the price is steep, fatten your offers." If he wasn't listening to offers, he wouldn't be doing his job.
Trade Manu would be a mistake.
Keep him next season and than see what happens
Money talks, and Manu stays
Buck Harvey - Buck Harvey A team put in a call to the Spurs last season with a legitimate offer for Manu Ginobili.
“ uva player for a uva player,” is the way Gregg Popovich describes the proposal now.
Popovich's answer then is the same as it is now, even after Ginobili ended another season with a limp. Popovich has always loved the guy, and he knows a healthy Ginobili can't be replaced.
But there's another reason Ginobili will be a Spur as long as he is upright.
He's also a uva draw at the box office.
That the Spurs would even consider trading Ginobili seemed impossible a year ago. Ginobili used the same word this week to describe his sense of that time.
But then Ginobili collapsed in Beijing, and the Spurs chose to shelve any contract-extension discussions. When he felt pain before the All-Star break, then later went out for the rest of the season, there was more doubt.
A rumor surfaced this month that the Wizards called the Spurs with an offer for him, and maybe all of this made Ginobili wonder if the ground had shifted. Asked by the Argentine press this week whether he thought he could be traded, he said “impossible” had lost a few letters.
“Today I believe there is a chance it could happen,” he said.
There's always a chance. Popovich said that. “People get in trouble when they say never,” Popovich said Wednesday.
If somebody makes what Popovich calls “a stupid offer,” then who knows?
“But Manu Ginobili is someone I cannot envision trading,” Popovich continued. “He has been such a huge part of our heart and soul; people like that are hard to come by. You don't even think about trading somebody like that. I can't imagine a scenario where he would be traded.”
As Popovich put it, “He fits us.” He closes games as few can, and a moment in the e Lee do entary, “Kobe Doin' Work,” underlines that. Then, the Lakers are about to play the Spurs, and the camera focuses on Ginobili, who was unable to play that night because of an injury.
“That's a bad boy, right there,” Bryant said in the film. “I have so much respect for his game.”
Ginobili isn't perfect. Neither is Bryant, as his fourth-quarter collapse on Tuesday suggests.
But Ginobili wins games as few have, and an example came from an ESPN columnist who had a great idea. He called the Elias Sports Bureau and asked for the career winning percentages of 14 players, from Russell to Jordan to Magic.
There are variables, certainly, such as who was lucky enough to play with which team in which years. Still, Larry Bird was first. Ginobili second.
So the reasons to keep Ginobili are overwhelming: He gives the Spurs their best chance to win, and his contract is both reasonable and short.
But just as critical is the business of entertainment. Trading a popular player always has been dicey, and now it's marketing suicide. In this economic climate, with Plenty of Good Seats Available, no team wants to give its fans a reason to stay home.
The Phoenix Suns, for example, are willing to trade everyone but Steve Nash. “You have to care about these things now,” said one in the Suns organization.
The Spurs have to care about more. Nash might help another team, but Ginobili, if healthy, might turn another franchise into a contender.
Imagine the backlash if Ginobili took, say, the Wizards deep into the playoffs. It would be Scola times 10.
So the Spurs will happily stick with Ginobili. And if he shows even a glimmer of his old self next season, the Spurs will want to sign him to yet another contract.
Talent and box-office appeal are a uva combination.
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The fact that Pop is talking publicly at all tells you something...
Didn't know that was an old quote
Maybe spurs fans will learn the difference between a coach and a gm, one coaches the other trades players!
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As long as Pop is the head coach of the Spurs, that line will be blurred more than 90% of professional teams.
It would definitely be hard to watch Ginobili play for a contender. Definitely.
But I COULD handle him going to the eastern conference, to a weak team like the Wizards (where arenas and jamison will demand the ball), much much more than the west, where Ginobili could put a rival over the top.
If a trade came along to get Caron "tough juice" Butler and a top 5 draft pick back... I might put my fandom aside on that one, and say go for it. Ginobili's heart and drive for the game will eventually surpass his overall health.
But about Caron Butler (assuming he was offered), we're not talking just a Raja Bell quality player back, and the #5 pick. Butler averages almost 2 steals per game for his career (1.7 spg), and could easily fill the SF role for us for seasons to come. He's active on both ends, athletic, and hasn't shot below 45% from the field in about five seasons.
Most glaring problem I see with Caron.... might be just as injury prone as Ginobili..... if not worse..... Certainly something to be considered.
Depending on Manu's increasingly fragile health and winning championships doesn't go hand in hand either.
If you're a Spurs fan, you're open to trading Manu. Period.
You guys have it all figured out, don't you? Ginobili is broken down won't be able to finish another season?
What about the league's poster child for being constantly injured - Grant Hill? In his seventh year in the league, he played exactly 4 games. Then 14, 29, 67, 21, and 65. Everyone... and I mean EVERYONE... was certain that his career was over, because he couldn't stay healthy. But in his first season with Phoenix, he played in 70 games. And this season, Hill's 14th season in the league, he played in all 82 games, and averaged 29.8 minutes. And none of the Phoenix players or coaches would tell you that he wasn't a big contributor to the team.
So this was Manu's 7th season in the league, and he played 44 games. From that, you can say with certainty that he is broken down? Time to take out the trash? Tell that to Grant Hill and the Phoenix Suns.
I wouldn't be surprised if, in Manu's 14th season in the league he is still playing as well as Grant Hill did this season. And I won't be surprised if, this upcoming season Manu averages 18-19 PPG and close to 5 boards and assists. There just aren't that many players in the league who can offer more support for Duncan's last few seasons. And the ones who can? We can't afford them.
Maybe his ankle holds up, maybe it doesn't. But you don't know, any more than the team does. But if Manu is healthy, he's a guy you want on your team. Period.
He's not saying that.
Trade for Butler is a steal
That's why trade is fake
Caron for Manu straight up would be an awesome steal in and of itself, let alone the 5th pick.
Unfortunately, this trade is too lopsided and doesn't make any sense for the Wiz.
Unless there's a stupid offer made, it'd be stupid to deal him. Yes, he could continue to not be available when it matters, or he could beat the injury bug and put in 3 more solid seasons. There are very few players in NBA history who have exhibited his ability when it's winning time. The Spurs would be without 3 championships if they never had him on their roster.
Unfortunately past accomplishments have little bearing on the present. Manu's health has failed the Spurs for two straight seasons, and he's 32. His best days are behind him, it's time to move on.
Nope it is not, intead it must be burried in some good weed or STRONG alcohol.
Any new trade offers?? Manu for LeBron come up yet??
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