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He's supposed to be the best player since Jordan and some re s even think he actually is better than Jordan, of course he is going to be held to a higher standard.
Kobe (2009 Finals): 4 games, 44.0 min., 33.0 PPG (48/112, 43%), 5.5 RPG, 8.0 APG, 1.3 SPG, 3.8 TO
Pierce (2008 Finals): 6 games, 38.8 min., 21.8 PPG (38/88, 43%), 4.0 RPG, 6.3 APG, 1.2 SPG, 3.7 TO
Lebron (2007 Finals): 4 games, 42.5 min., 22.0 PPG (32/90, 36%), 7.0 RPG, 6.8 APG, 1.0 SPG, 0.5 TO
Wade (2006 Finals): 6 games, 43.5 min., 34.7 PPG (65/139, 47%), 7.8 RPG, 3.8 APG, 2.7 SPG, 3.7 TO
Jordan (1996 Finals): 6 games, 42.0 min., 27.3 PPG (51/123, 42%), 5.3 RPG, 4.2 APG, 1.7 SPG, 3.0 TO
Jordan (1997 Finals): 6 games, 42.7 min., 32.3 PPG (72/158, 46%), 7.0 RPG, 6.0 APG, 1.2 SPG, 2.2 TO
Jordan (1998 Finals): 6 games, 41.7 min., 33.5 PPG (70/164, 43%), 4.0 RPG, 2.3 APG, 1.8 SPG, 1.7 TO
He's supposed to be the best player since Jordan and some re s even think he actually is better than Jordan, of course he is going to be held to a higher standard.
i thought you had higher personal standards than another mj vs kobe thread
Why..because we have a whole plethora of uneducated ball fans on this site. Too young to have watched the MJ games and only spout their expertise on what they have heard or read...no internet back in those days...
It's a shame really, KOBE=MJ in talent and as a ball player. I have been blessed as a ball fan to have watched KOBE play throughout his entire career.
^^ yo, Kobe can still equal MJ. But even now that still hasn't happened. Kobe has work at that Leader thing still, the Leader thing MJ always had.
Besides 6 champs as "the man" with scottie pippen as your #2
Mentiras, he is not. MJ>>>>Kobe. MJ took teams far less talented than Kobe's to 6 championships by Himself. Kobe won his rings as a sidekick. Kobe is only shooting 41% in the finals btw.
Man, you're dumb....I'm talking about talent not team accomplished goals you dummy. You can't compare rings in different eras, just as you can't compare Bill Russell's rings as well. KOBE is the most talented player to ever play the game, the most fundamental as well. Why hate, MJ the player on the BULLS is > than KOBE on the Lakers. I agree...
great point, my beloved highly-educated immigrant. Even though the great education you recieved has never given you enough knowledge about this language, you still managed to make your viewpoints pretty clear.
No, You're re ed. You just called Kobe the "Most talented and most fundamental player to ever play the game" that post proves your a fool.
Kobe wants to be held to a higher standard. So does LeBron. They want to be in conversations about their places among the all-time greats. They crave the limelight and want to be talked about. And so they are.
kobe isnt Jordan but he is the closest thing we have and will ever see.
Yes.
Is it fair? Probably not. But that's what happens when you're one of two people considered to be the best player in basketball.
Kobe is making a fair case to beat out Drexler on the #2 spot of all time SG.
It speaks volumes on the comparison when Kobe in his prime has to be compared to Jordan past his prime, just so their numbers can be somewhat comparable..I wrote this on RealGM too, where Mr.House took this from..
Very true. The only way Kobe is held to a higher standard is when he is thrown into the GOAT convo, which none of those other players are (except for MJ). He hasn't had a GOAT series in the Finals in 6 tries. , he hasn't played better than D.Wade did in the 06 Finals in any of his 6 trips there.
What Kobe is doing now is great and good enough to win a ring, but to be considered the best ever...he hasn't displayed that on the biggest stage one time in 6 years. And if you are honest, this Finals or any of the other 5 don't rank on your "best I ever saw" list.
It's clear Kobe is not on MJ's level, but he is the closest thing to him.
One thing is for sure, years after Kobe Bryant retires, you won't hear his name pop up every nba half time show, or still hear his name, referenced the same way MJ was. People will continually try to find the next MJ, not the next Kobe Bryant.
As bad as it is to take, even if Kobe does win more rings after this, his name will never be muttered with the same respect as MJ's.
When was the last time you heard people say MJ couldn't win his rings w/out pippen?
You don't win rings by yourself. People who think that don't know about basketball. It takes a team, more importantly it takes a of a balanced team to win championship.
No one man has ever done it by himself. Nobody.
his 81 points will live on forever though
We look at Kobe and compare him to MJ. He's not MJ by any means. Not as many les. Killer instinct in the finals isn't there either and he doesn't dominate like MJ in clutch moments but he could. So we sit here and hope that he could have the competive fire of MJ and do the things that MJ could do. That is a pretty high standard to aspire to and he's not there yet. Perhaps by the end of Kobe's career he might have achieved this recognition but not yet.
You aren't rooting for Kobe at all. You are actively rooting for him to fail at every opportunity so that he can never be compared to MJ.
That's true, but honestly watching the last two fourth quarters, where bryant wasn't the main offensive weapon, you could see that this is a Laker team that can get things done with or w/out him, it's not like they have trouble scoring on this magic team when bryant is out.
The impact of losing bryant and the impact of losing howard are huge difference. Honestly nobody else on the magic team even thinks of rebounding when dwight is around.
If you pay attention they're all running back on offence for a transition game that is non existent. BUT if you replace Bryant, with wade or Lebron, i'm sure Lakers will still get the job done. It's not like bryant is driving the lane as aggresively as he used to anyway.
Yes and if you replace D12 with a Prime Shaq or a Prime TD they could still get things done. Why the do people say that? It's so stupid. Of course if you replace Kobe with LBJ or Wade the Lakers would still be good.
The Lakers are NOTHING without Kobe though. They would probably barely make the playoffs without him. That's something you just don't get unless you are a Laker fan.
I'm not saying that Kobe is an insignificant player, I actually think he is a special player, BUT I also believe he is just another piece in the Laker championship team, rather than THE TEAM.
I just can't see myself calling the Lakers, Kobe's team. They really are more the Lakers, a team with a lot of strong points, with a weakness in the pg position and a young center who fouls a lot. Sure Kobe covers up for his team at times with his great play and clutch shots, but his team covers up for him for his bad games as well.
Although I do see Kobe nailing that game winning 3 more often than not, I would see MJ make sure that his team doesn't even get in that situation more often than not.
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