Why is everyone so defensive about Ginobili?

[mookie2001]

why put all our eggs in one basket and just pray for him to return to form?

ROFL watch this

plus Manu doesnt even believe in God!
all his catholic fans praying for him and hes not even a believer

[ElNono]

rumor is out suns are listening to cavs
and basically cavs are getting shaq for nothing but expiring contracts and picks

with the economy the way it is
the spurs expirign contracts are worth alot

and manu is a exciting player (20-25 minutes a game only though) that would help ticket sells

So who? We all know about how expiring contracts are valuable and how exciting Manu is, and how he helps sell tickets...

So who we can realistically trade him for? Names please...

[ducks]

We need more than a healthy Manu to win it all. We need a healthy Tim, and we need more and better pieces around.

I'm still waiting to be convinced how trading Manu improves our chances to get over the top in the next two seasons.

so you are going to improve the team with the mle only and no trades?

[ElNono]

depends on who they get for him
I am not for trading manu for nothing

Great. So who we should be trading him for, and why would the other team do it?

[ElNono]

so you are going to improve the team with the mle only and no trades?

Don't we have a lot of valuable expiring contracts?

[mookie2001]

people dont buy tickets to watch his chump ass sit the bench

[ducks]

So who? We all know about how expiring contracts are valuable and how exciting Manu is, and how he helps sell tickets...

So who we can realistically trade him for? Names please...

if I was the gm I would call
spurs already called washington for pick

all sun players are on block expect nash
I bet all hornets are on block except cp3
ray allen is on the block

bosh is
tracy is
many others also

if you are the spurs you call!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ducks]

Don't we have a lot of valuable expiring contracts?

spurs have a few yes
but if you sweeten the pot with manu to
you hopefully get a nice piece

[ducks]

people dont buy tickets to watch his chump ass sit the bench

I agree
I WAS using what the other gm would think


their are clippers on the block to since they won the draft

[Rob123]

So, who? I mean, you have it all figured out...
Who are we getting, and why would the other team do it?

Dude you're missing the point. Nick Young and The #5 dont compare to a healthy ginobili. But like you said it's 50/50 What if Ginobili never recovers to form?

It's a gamble, we'll be kicking ourselves if Manu goes down and we missed out on two solid contributors in Young and #5.

That's what this thread is about. It's not bandwagoning to suggest a trade.

[mookie2001]

we'll be kicking ourselves if Manu goes down

when

[TDMVPDPOY]

call the raptors, so they can field a all euro team bs they have goin on over there for the last few seasons....

[ElNono]

Dude you're missing the point. Nick Young and The #5 dont compare to a healthy ginobili. But like you said it's 50/50 What if Ginobili never recovers to form?

It's a gamble, we'll be kicking ourselves if Manu goes down and we missed out on two solid contributors in Young and #5.

That's what this thread is about. It's not bandwagoning to suggest a trade.

In 3 years at best? TD is gone by then, and neither of those two guys can carry a franchise.

I never claimed that asking to trade Manu is being a bandwagon fan. I'm asking for realistic trades that takes us over the top.
I still haven't heard one.

[ducks]

call the raptors, so they can field a all euro team bs they have goin on over there for the last few seasons....

AMEN
they would throw in bosh !

spurs could throw in oberta to and they would have more euro players

[ElNono]

if I was the gm I would call
spurs already called washington for pick

all sun players are on block expect nash
I bet all hornets are on block except cp3
ray allen is on the block

bosh is
tracy is
many others also

if you are the spurs you call!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spurs want to win now. That's why the pick for Manu was shot down. We don't have time to groom players.

Bosh is a free agent next summer, so renting him for one season makes no sense, not to mention he makes $5 million more than Manu next season.

Ray Allen makes $19 million next season, and is also a free agent next summer.

You about Manu's health and you want Tracy McGrady?

[Rob123]

In 3 years at best? TD is gone by then, and neither of those two guys can carry a franchise.

I never claimed that asking to trade Manu is being a bandwagon fan. I'm asking for realistic trades that takes us over the top.
I still haven't heard one.

There is no trade that puts us over the top! Ginobilis value is unknown right now. We can keep him and hope for the best, or do a lateral trade that keeps us in contention. Face it, if Ginobili goes down we're not in contention for anything. I'm not trying to make this team a lock for the championship, I just want them to be compe ive night in and night out.

The washington trade would do that for this team. At the same time I can see the trade backfiring and Ginobili tearing it up on the wizards. It's a difficult decision and I'm glad I'm not making it.

[TMTTRIO]

Besides if Manu is useless and finished like people are claiming why would Was be so stupid to make the trade? They can get better offers than Manu. I say we see how Manu does this year and let him walk next year and go after some FA.

[ducks]

Spurs want to win now. That's why the pick for Manu was shot down. We don't have time to groom players.

Bosh is a free agent next summer, so renting him for one season makes no sense, not to mention he makes $5 million more than Manu next season.

Ray Allen makes $19 million next season, and is also a free agent next summer.

You about Manu's health and you want Tracy McGrady?

spurs can talk about an extension before they trade for bosh
and trading manu for bosh and spurs win it all would be worth it even if bosh bolts

did not say wanted tracy just mentioned a few that are on the block..........

[ElNono]

There is no trade that puts us over the top! Ginobilis value is unknown right now. We can keep him and hope for the best, or do a lateral trade that keeps us in contention. Face it, if Ginobili goes down we're not in contention for anything. I'm not trying to make this team a lock for the championship, I just want them to be compe ive night in and night out.

The washington trade would do that for this team. At the same time I can see the trade backfiring and Ginobili tearing it up on the wizards. It's a difficult decision and I'm glad I'm not making it.

This is exactly the point. There isn't such a trade, unless it's an idiotic trade. A very, very unlikely trade. A Gasol type of trade.

I'm sorry, but I don't see any rookies/sop res keeping a team in contention. And I don't want to have a team that you know it's not good enough to win it all. Especially when you have pieces like Duncan and Tony that you know simply need a third star to really give you the best chance to get you over the top. I'd like to see an example of two rooks/sop res replacing star talent.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Besides if Manu is useless and finished like people are claiming why would Was be so stupid to make the trade? They can get better offers than Manu. I say we see how Manu does this year and let him walk next year and go after some FA.

WAS definitely has a place in their roster for Manu and is a team that is ready to win now, they aren't precisely rebuilding. The have several pretty good players and need a couple more to contend heavily in the playoffs. Using their 5# pick would give them a prospect most likely but they can't wait any longer for a future prospect as they are built right now, especially with GA's contract. I'm pretty sure they will end up trading that pick before the draft for someone who can help them contend now.

[tav1]

because he's manu ginobili

[Rob123]

This is exactly the point. There isn't such a trade, unless it's an idiotic trade. A very, very unlikely trade. A Gasol type of trade.

I'm sorry, but I don't see any rookies/sop res keeping a team in contention. And I don't want to have a team that you know it's not good enough to win it all. Especially when you have pieces like Duncan and Tony that you know simply need a third star to really give you the best chance to get you over the top. I'd like to see an example of two rooks/sop res replacing star talent.

You're still missing the point.

We can have our fate ride on two rooks sop res, one of which has shown flashes of brilliance. Or we can hope for Ginobili.

Manu sitting on the bench isnt going to keep us in contention either. What do you suggest?

[ducks]

not sure I would trade manu for a draft pick
I am for a butler and the 5 pick though
so the spur player they would be getting would not be a 2 year player or younger
but more of a seasoned players

[ElNono]

spurs can talk about an extension before they trade for bosh
and trading manu for bosh and spurs win it all would be worth it even if bosh bolts

did not say wanted tracy just mentioned a few that are on the block..........

I don't think the Spurs simply can offer a max contract to Bosh, which is what most likely he will be getting next summer. The question also is why would Toronto want to do it, considering Bosh is young, he's been the face of their franchise, and can probably sign him to a max extension also.

[ducks]

I don't think the Spurs simply can offer a max contract to Bosh, which is what most likely he will be getting next summer. The question also is why would Toronto want to do it, considering Bosh is young, he's been the face of their franchise, and can probably sign him to a max extension also.

rumors are they are already thinking about it
they do not want to lose bosh for nothing