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2000 Shaq wouldn't have made the 2009 Suns a contender.
How is Shaq supposed to dominate when the PG refuses to give him the ball down low? The two games Nash and Amare were both out and Shaq was playing so it was clear he was the focal point were by far the Suns two best games of the year. He scored 45 points in one game and 33 in the other.
2000 Shaq wouldn't have made the 2009 Suns a contender.
C'mon now...
MVP Shaq?
Such bull . Why do you hate the Suns so much?
When the PG refuses to give a player the ball in the right spot the player no matter how good would be useless.
It's no coincidence the Suns beat the Lakers this year once, and that was when Nash and Amare were injured and Shaq got his touches.
Hating players on a team because they're lazy, don't play defense and don't care about winning is completely different than hating a team. If I wasn't a Suns fan I wouldn't care.
You make a pretty good point about Shaq's age/style of play (whatever that means)/leaving on bad terms...etc but bottom line is Shaq is still effective and might be top 5 center right now.
I understand the Suns might make this move to dump salary and Memphis did the same last year but at least Memphis got warm bodies, couple of # 1 draft picks, and a huge expiring contract. Suns are going to get a guy ready to retire and a guy at the end of the bench that plays very few minutes.
Like I said, this deal, if it goes through, does make sense for both teams.
Suns dump salary and Cavs get an expiring 20 mil contract that will probably help them alot (remember..Shaq is not going there to make them elite..they already are near that level) next year.
Knowing how it turned out, I'll say the Gasol trade was more lopsided...but I don't think it's by that much and certainly not a slamdunk.
The voters seem to think he's a top 3 center
Hey, I understand that.
A dominant center won't be dominant unless the ball is given to them. We just saw that this past finals.
But 2000 Shaq won't make this team a contender?
, they might be right.The voters seem to think he's a top 3 center
Damn, this age really sucks when it comes to the center position.
(and have been for the past 15 years or so)
Nash and Amare would have eventually been irritated with not having the spot light and not being considered the top two players, which would result in even worse half-assed, flat footed defense from those two, they would start chucking, and they'd make an effort to keep the ball out of Shaq's hands.But 2000 Shaq won't make this team a contender?
The Suns were 11-5 to start the season when Nash started ing about how it wasn't fun playing defense and being less important on offense. Since then the season went to . That's how I know what would happen.
Just stop. Wow. Stop.
Shaq is physically unable to even RUN THE FLOOR for much of an NBA game now, let alone keep up with the faster pace that the league is turning to. It isn't a massively lopsided trade because Shaq is only effective for half to 2/3rds of a season next year, and that's likely a best-case scenario. There's a very real chance of him being unavailable for all or part of the playoffs as well, and even if he plays, his complete lack of mobility is going to be a huge hindrance to a team trying to play defense.
You obviously didn't watch him at all last year.
I love when people post about Shaq that makes no sense.
what is more lopsided.... tim donaghy for screwing the Suns.... or the Garnett trade...
It's close, but I'll go with the proposed Cleveland deal because Big Ben is DONE and Pavlovic was stillborn.
.... ill vote donaghy becuase he actually screwed PHX and their fans out of 2 possible finals apperances
Hard to trash the Garnett trade when Minnesota got the best young low-post scorer in the game in the deal.
Wasn't there some article out there that said the Suns won't trade Shaq for nothing or just to save money. If that's true then no way this Shaq to Cleveland deal goes down, who could the Cavs throw in that would actually be worth a damn to the Suns. West, Hickson lol. I don't know.
Funny how people keep overblowing the Gasol trade. Not only does Memphis have 2010 cap space. They got 3 draft picks, a starting center and 20 year old prospect.
Compare to that to the AI or this proposed Shaq trade which gives Suns/Det nothing but cap relief.
Ariza for Cook and evans expiring is more lopsided than either of these.
Not at the time of the Ariza trade, he was a complete nobody until he came to LA.
Yes it was. There were plenty of Laker and Orlando fans screaming what dumb trade it was from the getgo. Knowledgeable Laker fans knew how worthless Brian Cook was and knowledgeable Magic fans knew Ariza had gobs of potential.
Besides that you can't judge the Gasol trade immediately since it was trade made for the long term, from Memphis' perspective.
We all knew how worthless Cook and ME were but Ariza hadn't done a whole lot to show he would be what he has been this postseason. Clutch as , excellent three point shooter, etc. The potential was definitely there, I just wish the guy was under contract making 3 million a year for two or three more years..
I really can't see many big time FA's going to Memphis but I could be wrong. Marc definitely has a lot of upside.
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