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http://www.truthabou .net/2009/06/...ld-happen.html
BY WAY OF 48MOH
Block Buster Proposition (3 teams, 11 players)
Instead of recycling a rumor, I’m going to come up with might be a reasonable proposition.
Three team deal: San Antonio, Charlotte, Washington
Bobcats Get: Nick Young, Antawn Jamison, Etan Thomas
Bobcats Give: Gerald Wallace, Raja Bell, Nazr Mohammed
Spurs Get: Gerald Wallace, Andray Blatche, Mike James, the 5th Pick
Spurs Give: Manu Ginobili, Fabricio Oberto, Bruce Bowen
Wizards Get: Manu Ginobili, Fabricio Oberto, Bruce Bowen, Raja Bell, Nazr Mohammed
Wizards Give: Nick Young, Antawn Jamison, Etan Thomas, Andray Blatche, Mike James, the 5th Pick
Washington Breakdown:
IN OUT
Ginobili $10.73 Young $1.715 $2.63 $3.696
Oberto $3.8 Jamison $11.64 $13.359 $15.077
Bell $5.25 Thomas $7.355
Mohammed $6.467 $6.884 James $6.467
Bowen $4.0 Blatche $3.0 $3.26 $3.52
$30.245 $30.177
In an ‘all-in’ move, Grunfeld gets veteran experience and aging toughness, especially if Bowen and Bell have any wing defense left in the tank. Along with the pick, it seems like the Wizards are giving up a ton for what could possibly be the greatest M.A.S.H. unit in the history of the league. But hey, if it doesn’t work, the Wizards get to trim a lot of salary fat ($23.78 million in expiring contracts), keep Butler and Arenas as building blocks, with money to re-sign Haywood and change leftover to reload.
Abe Pollin would be forced to part with community leader Antawn Jamison, but he’ll rest better knowing that the Gentlemen is going home to help his community of North Carolina.
Wiz Depth Chart:
PG: Gilbert Arenas; Javaris Crittenton
SG: Manu Ginobili; DeShawn Stevenson; Raja Bell
SF: Caron Butler; Raja Bell; Dominic McGuire; Bruce Bowen
PF: Dominic McGuire; Darius Songaila; Fabricio Oberto; Oleksiy Pecherov
C: Brendan Haywood; Fabricio Oberto; JaVale McGee; Nazr Mohammed
That’s a potent big three, all willing to share the ball. The Wizards also gain two solid bench defenders, both with the ability to knock down a long distance shot of the spot-up variety … a definite need.
A glaring area is obviously point guard, Crittenton serving as the primary backup to Arenas. The departing Juan Dixon’s roster spot does, however, provide an option to add a veteran floor general. In addition, the trio of Ginobili, Stevenson, and Bell have all proved somewhat capable of spot-up point duties.
I can’t exactly say that I trust that front-court either. The beloved in San Antonio Oberto is coming off a heart condition. Mohammed can score and rebound, but is allergic to D (seems like a buy-out candidate). And is Dom McGuire really ready to be a starting PF in the NBA?
On the flip side, minutes would be available for McGee and Pecherov to earn (the latter being highly unlikely), and Songaila would be the perfect intelligently passing big off the bench. Still, I understand …. somewhat suspect front line.
Charlotte Breakdown:
IN OUT
Young $1.715 $2.631 $3.695 Wallace $9.5 $9.5 $9.5 $9.5
Jamison $11.641 $13.359 $15.077 Bell $5.25
Thomas $7.355 Mohammed $6.467 $6.884
$20.710 $21.217
Charlotte is a mess. Bob Johnson is in financial trouble and looking to sell, while the city attorney is saying that the team can’t leave the Queen City. Fans are hungry for a winner, as frustrations with Michael Jordan’s leadership efforts mount. Perhaps simply making the playoffs would go a long way towards winning the locals over.
Look no further than acquiring a Carolina boy, which would fit perfectly with the franchise’s past modus operandi. Both Jamison and Young would potentially pack the scoring punch Charlotte has been missing.
While A.J. brings a fatter contract in the short term, the move allows the Bobcats to chop two years off money owed in getting rid of both Wallace and Mohammed essentially for Jamison and Etan. On the side, Charlotte would certainly be glad to exchange Bell for the youth and affordable contract years of Young.
A nucleus of Augustin, Felton, Young, Diaw, Jamison, Radmanovic, Diop, and Okafor is a better product that what was fielded in Charlotte last year. How could they not like the move?
San Antonio Breakdown:
IN OUT
Wallace $9.5 $9.5 $9.5 Oberto $3.8
Blatche $3.0 $3.26 $3.52 Ginobili $10.728
James $6.467 Bowen $4.0
$18.967 $18.528
The Spurs would lose the heart and soul of Ginobili, defensive son Bowen, and fan favorite Oberto, but would shed a lot of age, an average if 34.7 years per player (104 total years when Manu turns 32 in late July) in exchange for an average of 28 years (84 total years when Blatche turns 23 in August).
Crash Wallace gives San Antonio a diversely talented forward who is willing to rebound, defend, and run with Tony Parker. James serves as veteran scoring to supplant Parker off the bench. Blatche becomes the ‘change-of-scenery’ find who would greatly benefit from just being around Tim Duncan and Gregg Popovich. And finally, the pick allows S.A. to move forward in any direction with the option to take anyone from Tyreke Evans to Stephen Curry to Jordan Hill to James Harden.
The caveat is that the Spurs take on more contract years, and they may have better options elsewhere, but with Timmy’s closing window, this trade best allows them to rebuild with youth while staying relevant (compe iveness in the West probably contingent on an additional move).
Conclusion
Still, if I’m Grunfeld, I hesitate to pull the trigger. The Wiz are giving up some decent talent with several unknown en ies in return … granted with the aforementioned luxury of having $23.78 million come off the books after ‘09-10.
One enticement/addition could be for the Wiz to exchange their 2nd pick in the second round (32 overall) for Charlotte’s 12th overall (perhaps they’d rather not commit to first round money, I don’t know), where Grunfeld might hope for Tyreke Evans, Jonny Flynn, Ty Lawson or Brandon Jennings to be available.
The verdict: Make the trade and tell Flip to do his best. The Wizards would gain championship experienced veteran depth without committing themselves to long term contracts.
All this being said, I don’t want to be like Bill Simmons, throwing absurdities fueled by my own biases against the wall just because the trade happened to work in RealGM’s checker.
Part of the reason Simmons comes across as an idiot, while politicking for an NBA GM position, is the incessant insults he hurls towards current GMs, thinking he could just fleece them for valued goods. Give me a break.
In any case, I will attempt to solicit the opinions of Bobcats and Spurs bloggers to see how on or off-base I might be.
http://www.truthabou .net/2009/06/...ld-happen.html
BY WAY OF 48MOH
Blatche is a haas
I can't believe we've still got a whole summer of these.
Don't get this confused people, this is pure speculation from a fan from some sit.e
spurstalk?
its going to be a fkn long summer
Goddamn it, don't some of you people have better things to do with your time??spurstalk?
its going to be a fkn long summer
I predict about 40 proposed trade threads, 15 more manu threads, 5 troll attempts and probably 1 more drunk post from that idiot "50bestspurever".
+1
I can't believe we've still got a whole summer of these.
Can't wait for the Summer League to start!
Blatche and Wallace are intriguing plus the fifth pick.
I can't see the Wizards wanting to expand their roster to 17 players and only 2 pgs.
Bowen and Oberto are not fully guaranteed and can be bought out.... But I agree with others in saying that there are too many Manu trade threads and it is beginning to be a bit much.... If something is going to happen then it will happen on draft night but whatever the front office decides I am sure it will be for the best of the Spurs Organization..... Now with that being said... The threads have to stop......
Wallace is injured more than Manu and he is not an expiring contract in case something goes wrong like Manu.
Why are people obsessed with getting rid of Manu for below-average 12th man material?
Spurs Get: Gerald Wallace, Andray Blatche, Mike James, the 5th Pick
Spurs Give: Manu Ginobili, Fabricio Oberto, Bruce Bowen
That's where I stopped reading
I would have to do this..
Wallace is injury prone, but we're at the point where we need to take risks to win now..he would fill our need of an athletic slasher, and he would be able to provide solid defense at the 3 spot..he would also give us a guy that can create turnovers, which we haven't had on the perimeter for a long time..
He would also make Mason look better, because he would hide his flaws better..
Andray Blatche has had some IQ and work ethic problems..again, he's a risk..but he's clearly talented..he stretches the floor next to Duncan, he's athletic, he can play defense when he puts his mind to it..he's never had the luxury of playing in a disciplined system with great players like this..
Mike James is irrelevant to the deal, just filler..
the 5th pick would obviously be huge for us as well..I won't go into detail, because I don't know who we would pick..worst-case, we can flip this pick to another team and fill a need..
Bowen probably returns..
PG Parker/Hill/James
SG Mason/Harden or DeRozan
SF Wallace/Bowen/Finley or Gist
PF Blatche/Thomas/Bonner
C Duncan/Mahinmi
13 players, somebody would be left out..
That's a very good lineup IMO, and it works for us financially..
Spurs won't trade Manu though, and I don't know if the Wiz and Bobcats would pull it..
10 more days till the draft... it couldn't come fast enough.
I noticed over the summer people complain about trade threads and over the regular season people complain about losses. Looks like rain 365 days a year.
Let's say that did go through, then we would have the 5th pick, why not trade 5th and Bonner to POR for Batum?
Parker/Hill
Mason/Hairston
Batum/Bowen/Gist
Duncan/Ian
Haywood/Oberto
Is a little youth and athleticism too much to ask for?
you guys are such HOMERS!!!
gerald wallace, andray blatche, mike james, AND the 5th pick???
okay, we dont need mike james.. so throw him out.
but gerald walllace and andray blatche? and the 5th pick?
for 32 year old manu, 38 year old bruce, and 34 year old heart attack oberto?
you guys are re ed
I don't think they would do it either, but it isn't as unrealistic as you think..
Manu is still an impact player AND he's an expiring contract next year..so he's useful in more ways than one..Bowen and Oberto are both contracts, nobody is going to use them as players..in fact, Bowen would probably return here..
Why would this trade be good for the Spurs? You would plug one hole at the SF position (with an oft injured player) and a new one would spring up at the SG.
You would be essentially trading an injury risk SG for a SF and still not be able to compete for a le. Not to mention, all things equal, Manu is better than Crash. So how does this help? At least with Ginobili you have an insurance policy in the form of an expiring contract if he gets injured again. With Wallace you are on the books for 2 more years IIRC.
The Wizards laugh and then hang up the phone. And then they go laugh some more.
I agree, and so do the Spurs. The Bobcats would love this though.
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