Microbe Wakes Up After 120,000 Years

[z0sa]

Enlight me....

Thre will be no enlightening of someone who thinks they neither made an opinion nor a judgment when you previously ill-spoke. Even if you care nothing for insulting creationists, you insulted Americans.

See that's the point: It's not an opinion or a judgment (good or bad). It's just an observation:

"Evolution", "Age of earth", etc. IS NOT such a hot issue as it is in the US in ANY other "industrialized" country. And that's a fact man.

no, it's not. I predicted this y rebuttal. It's half the reason I called you a before you further exhibited like above.

First you never said 'industrialized' countries. You said the entire world. Flipflop!

Second, don't ever call your outlandish opinions facts again.

Third, maybe you travel 24 hours a day, . You've probably brought up origins arguments at your job every day, huh? In all those different countries? Kept up with every article, speech, symposium, and essay on both sides of the issue? Talked with science leaders on both sides? Conducted polls yourself? All while somehow fulfilling your duties?

Let's start somewhere easier, yet another thing you haven't accomplished: Have you contributed anything meaningful to this forum that would allow me to take you seriously?

Let me answer all above questions for you: No. No, you haven't. No, you can't speak for anyone else but your own little self. No, you followed up with no proof (the burder of proof is on you, dumbass, so don't go asking ME for proof).

[Blake]

Thre will be no enlightening of someone who thinks they neither made an opinion nor a judgment when you previously ill-spoke. Even if you care nothing for insulting creationists, you insulted Americans.

he didn't insult Americans.

First you never said 'industrialized' countries. You said the entire world. Flipflop!

what non-industrialized country is this a hot topic in?

Second, don't ever call your outlandish opinions facts again.

hypocrite.

Let's start somewhere easier, yet another thing you haven't accomplished: Have you contributed anything meaningful to this forum that would allow me to take you seriously?

You still haven't. Nobody takes you seriously.

Let me answer all above questions for you: No. No, you haven't. No, you can't speak for anyone else but your own little self. No, you followed up with no proof (the burder of proof is on you, dumbass, so don't go asking ME for proof).

actually you said "There's tons of proof against said argument", so you put the burdern of proof on yourself.

yet as usual, you fail to provide it.

you just flat out fail, idiot.

[pppp]

Thre will be no enlightening of someone who thinks they neither made an opinion nor a judgment when you previously ill-spoke. Even if you care nothing for insulting creationists, you insulted Americans.

How did I insult Americans?? when??

It's not OK for me to speak for 5.5 billion people but it's OK for you to speak for 300 mil americans? Congrats on your hypocrisy...

no, it's not. I predicted this y rebuttal. It's half the reason I called you a before you further exhibited like above.

First you never said 'industrialized' countries. You said the entire world. Flipflop!

I compare what's comparable and what interests me. Do you wanna be compared to Vatican or Saudi Arabia? They do talk a lot of this theological stuff there....

Second, don't ever call your outlandish opinions facts again.

What if I do Mr Internet tough guy?

Third, maybe you travel 24 hours a day, . You've probably brought up origins arguments at your job every day, huh? In all those different countries? Kept up with every article, speech, symposium, and essay on both sides of the issue? Talked with science leaders on both sides? Conducted polls yourself? All while somehow fulfilling your duties?

Let's start somewhere easier, yet another thing you haven't accomplished: Have you contributed anything meaningful to this forum that would allow me to take you seriously?

Did I hurt your feelings?
I'm just saying this kind of debate is more present in the US than in other comparable countries...

Ah and the post count argument! that's pretty weak!

Let me answer all above questions for you: No. No, you haven't. No, you can't speak for anyone else but your own little self. No, you followed up with no proof (the burder of proof is on you, dumbass, so don't go asking ME for proof).

weak again...where are the "tons of proofs"?

And do I have to understand that you haven't gotten out of Texas in the last 10 years? or ever?

Fascinating indeed

[z0sa]

he didn't insult Americans.

you're too stupid to realize it.

what non-industrialized country is this a hot topic in?

Shouldn't be asking the person making the assertions? You truly have no idea what you're speaking about.

You still haven't. Nobody takes you seriously.

You're en led to your opinion.

actually you said "There's tons of proof against said argument", so you put the burdern of proof on yourself.

You don't understand a bit of how a debate works, therefore, don't act like you do.

yet as usual, you fail to provide it.

Only to those incapable of understanding the english language.

I just flat out fail, and I'm an idiot.

Trust me, for all my creationism defending, you have plenty more people who think you're a flat out got, bro. You're internet tough guy act just doesn't work, because you can't back it up. You're a re .

[z0sa]

How did I insult Americans?? when??

I guess you can't read, or think you're opinions are so right they can be stated as facts.

And again, I will call you a bag for acting as such.

It's not OK for me to speak for 5.5 billion people

No, it's not. By continuing to do so, and make broad assertions about said number of people, you completely disregard any shred of accountability you may have possessed.

but it's OK for you to speak for 300 mil americans? Congrats on your hypocrisy...

Yo, smart guy, you spoke for every culture and nation around the world. I never tried speaking for all America.

Besides, you insulted Americans - and I'm American. It's not hard logic to understand, genius. Your thinly veiled sarcasm and stupid bolding/popcorn smilie made your intentions utterly clear.

What if I do Mr Internet tough guy?

Just because you're an easily intimidated fool doesn't mean I acted like an "internet tough guy" in any way, shape, or form. I simply called you out for stating your ridiculously wrong opinions as verifiable fact. You can do whatever you want, but don't expect not to be ridiculed.

Did I hurt your feelings?

You're childish.

I'm just saying this kind of debate is more present in the US than in other comparable countries...

Again, this is not a fact. You haven't specified what other countries your speaking of which either. Again, keep your outlandish opinions to yourself.

Ah and the post count argument! that's pretty weak!

Where did I mention posts? Again, you're easily intimidated.

What i DID mention is the fact you are stating you travel from country to country all year debating this issue while somehow doing your job as well. All of which could be untrue. Your lack of proof regarding the issue at hand casts a large shadow of doubt on anything else you have to say.

weak again...where are the "tons of proofs"?

The burder of proof is not on myself. When you bring something tangible to the table, I'll proceed with a rebuttal.

And do I have to understand that you haven't gotten out of Texas in the last 10 years? or ever?

You're 110% wrong.

Fascinating indeed

At least this is more of a debate. Not Blake's constant miscues.

[Blake]

you're too stupid to realize it.

if you were offended by what he said, you are a puss.

and obviously he is too stupid to realize it.

Shouldn't be asking the person making the assertions? You truly have no idea what you're speaking about.

I asked a simple question to you.

What non-industrialized country is this a hot topic in?

You having tons of proof should make it a piece of cake to answer this.

You're en led to your opinion.

My opinion is that you are an idiot.

You don't understand a bit of how a debate works, therefore, don't act like you do.

I understand that you are losing this debate again, no matter how many times mouse puts up a scoreboard that says otherwise.

Only to those incapable of understanding the english language.

nope. It is very clear that you have not posted any sources to your claims in this thread.

Trust me, for all my creationism defending, you have plenty more people who think you're a flat out got, bro. You're internet tough guy act just doesn't work, because you can't back it up. You're a re .

I don't care what people think of me. You are taking this thread way too personal....

which is what you constantly do every time someone calls you out on your "facts".

You are a dip .

[Blake]

At least this is more of a debate. Not Blake's constant miscues.

you are arguing whether or not you've been out of Texas?

I know you will disagree, but if you think that is a decent "debate", you honestly have no clue what a debate consists of....

of course, most of us get it already.......I'm just wondering when it will sink in for you.

[Blake]

I

No, it's not. By continuing to do so, and make broad assertions about said number of people, you completely disregard any shred of accountability you may have possessed.

then stop speaking for the rest of us Americans, hypocrite.



this is going bad for you, even by your standards.

[z0sa]

if you were offended by what he said, you are a puss.

In your opinion.

and obviously he is too stupid to realize it.

I dunno if he is too stupid to realize his 'facts' are actually opinions, but I do know he is being facetious.

I asked a simple question to you.

I'm not inclined to answer anything you ask me.

What non-industrialized country is this a hot topic in?

So you're agreeing its a hot topic in other countries besides the USA? In case you forgot, that was my entire point. Nice offtopic blurb attempt though

You having tons of proof should make it a piece of cake to answer this.

Tons of proof does indeed exist. Its common knowledge, in fact. In fact, due to how debate is structured, so much knowledge exists against such an incredulous claim, that it is the burden of pppp to back it up. I know you don't know about a real discussion, hopefully this helped.

My opinion is that you are an idiot.

You say this at least 3-4 times in every thread someone disagrees.

Eventually, you'll come to terms with your own idiocy and realize what a d-bag you tend to liken yourself to.

I understand that you are losing this debate again

If you're talking about jman3000's horrible attempts, you're obviously wrong. You can't even get your own points straight and still call others idiots. pppp has simply failed to bring anything at all to the table.

no matter how many times mouse puts up a scoreboard that says otherwise.

And you say I'm getting butthurt over this topic

You've been on the defensive since oh, your second post in this topic.

nope. It is very clear that you have not posted any sources to your claims in this thread.

Should I need to (should I come against worthy compe ion) I will. Every attempt to discredit my statements has been laughable, at best (they've all come from you).

Besides the fact pretty much everything I've said can be learned in a high school science textbook

I don't care what people think of me.

Suuuure you don't.

You are taking this thread way too personal....

This thread has given me nothing but smiles thus far.

which is what you constantly do every time someone calls you out on your "facts".

I can no longer follow your train of thought, it's all over the page. Maybe you need an essay writing course.

I am a dip .

I'm aware.

[z0sa]

you are arguing whether or not you've been out of Texas?

I know you will disagree, but if you think that is a decent "debate", you honestly have no clue what a debate consists of....

of course, most of us get it already.......I'm just wondering when it will sink in for you.

this post here should sum up all you need to know about Blake.

Misunderstands AND misinterprets my post.

Brings it upon himself to somehow call me out when he don't got an idea what the i'm talking about.

I'll continue putting in your place, since you wish.

First, I said this is "more" of a debate. Me owning you isn't a debate at all, so evolving "more" of a debate wouldn't take much.

Second, debating requires you to actually believe you can be proven wrong. Believe it or not, I'm waiting for someone to do just that, or bring something new to the table to make me change my argument. That's what debate is, grasshopper. PPPP seemed to exhibit debate-worthy behavior, therefore a debate may have actually begun.

[z0sa]

then stop speaking for the rest of us Americans, hypocrite.

do you always compare apples to oranges without the slightest idea you're doing so?

I can speak in defense of americans if I wish. I happen to be one. It goes both ways.

What if I said, "No one in Egypt believes evolution occurred." Would you call me out for an incredulous claim and demand I back it up?

Now what if I said, "You Egyptians crack me up. ONLY in Egypt does anyone debate evolution ever occurred."

'pp' is of some nationality, perhaps france or egypt or India or wherever. If he had spoke for his one country AND backed it up with evidence from colleges/universities, research ins utes, etc I would not have said . Even without backing, I may have just taken his word for it if it seemed legit.

[Blake]

this post here should sum up all you need to know about Blake.

Misunderstands AND misinterprets my post.

Brings it upon himself to somehow call me out when he don't got an idea what the i'm talking about.

I'll continue putting in your place, since you wish.

First, I said this is "more" of a debate. Me owning you isn't a debate at all, so evolving "more" of a debate wouldn't take much.

Second, debating requires you to actually believe you can be proven wrong. Believe it or not, I'm waiting for someone to do just that, or bring something new to the table to make me change my argument. That's what debate is, grasshopper. PPPP seemed to exhibit debate-worthy behavior, therefore a debate may have actually begun.

what country is this a hot topic in?

[pppp]

[Blake]

what country is this a hot topic in?

I thought sure that someone with tons of proof would be able to answer this easily.

[z0sa]

I thought sure that someone with tons of proof would be able to answer this easily.

Creationism, in various forms, is both advocated and under attack by scientists from every culture. Surely you know this. It is most likely where you borrow your false pretense of invincibility on the issues at hand, over various posts in different threads.

Therefore, it is interesting to consider that you believe it is not a hot topic for every scientist around the globe, in every country, especially the ones studying pertinent fields (there are many).

Perhaps some quotes from various scientists will help you remember on the issue?

Dr. Wernher Magnus Maximilian Freiherr[1] von Braun (March 23, 1912 – June 16, 1977), a German rocket physicist and astronautics engineer became one of the leading figures in the development of rocket technology in Germany and the United States. Wernher von Braun is sometimes said to be the preeminent rocket engineer of the 20th century.

He had this to say:

"...the vast mysteries of the universe should only confirm our belief in the certainty of its Creator. I find it as difficult to understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science."

Oh yeah, is he German? Oh yeah, Germany isn't part of America.

How about someone extremely prominent from England, and taken from a British site?

A.E. Wilder-Smith F.R.S.C., Ph.D was a Countess Lisburne Memorial Fellow in cancer research for London University and a member of the British Chemical Society, the American Association for the Advancement of Science and the New York Academy of Science. He held the Chair of Professor of Pharmacology at the University of Illinois, Chicago, where he was elected 'Best Teacher' four times and won the 'Golden Apple' award three times.

Check out this self-written testimonial of this brilliant (he had 3 Ph. D's) scientist's conversion.

So, we know its an issue in Europe.


Ever heard of a guy named Young-Gil Kim, Blake? Didn't think so. The guy is well-known in the high-tech world, though. He's invented various high tech alloys used for many different purposes and oh yeah, he's a creationist.

Maybe you should educate yourself with this article he wrote concerning Creationism in Asia.

Yeah, there's something else in Asia that you may have not heard of ... or ever looked for, and our new friend Young-Gil Kim also happens to be residing Chairman of the Korea Association of Creation Research. The pages are in Korean, but a quick glance to the top left confirms it is the website.

Hm, so there's creationists all over the world? Oh yes. In fact, there are over 150 scientists, all with Ph. D's in many fields, who hold active membership in the KACR. An additional 300 scientists, with Master's degrees in various engineering and science fields, partake as well.

It's becoming quite overwhelming for the "mainstream" science crowd to quiet us down. In fact, way back in 1979 Larry Hatfield, writing for pro-evolution magazine Science Digest, had this to say:

"Scientists who utterly reject Evolution may be one of our fastest-growing controversial minorities… Many of the scientists supporting this position hold impressive credentials in science."


I don't need Mouse for this one.

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[z0sa]

Encore?

Richard Milton, who is no creationist: "Darwinism has never had much appeal for science outside of the English-speaking world, and has never appealed much to the American public (although popular with the U.S. scientific establishment in the past). However, its ascendancy in science, in both Britain and America, has been waning for several decades as its grip has weakened in successive areas: geology; paleontology; embryology; comparative anatomy. Now even geneticists are beginning to have doubts. It is only in mainstream molecular biology and zoology that Darwinism retains serious enthusiastic supporters. As growing numbers of scientists begin to drift away from neo-Darwinist ideas, the revision of Darwinism at the public level is long overdue, and is a process that I believe has already started."

Oh, what fields of study does our microbe fall into, hmm?
Which neo-Darwinist ideas? Like deep time? Macroevolution? The Geologic Column? Whatever method they used to date this 120,000 year microbe?

Soo.... creationism and its various concepts don't pose an issue in the entire world other than America? You anti-creationists just keep me laughing.

[Blake]

Creationism, in various forms, is both advocated and under attack by scientists from every culture. Surely you know this. It is most likely where you borrow your false pretense of invincibility on the issues at hand, over various posts in different threads.

Therefore, it is interesting to consider that you believe it is not a hot topic for every scientist around the globe, in every country, especially the ones studying pertinent fields (there are many).

Perhaps some quotes from various scientists will help you remember on the issue?



He had this to say:

"...the vast mysteries of the universe should only confirm our belief in the certainty of its Creator. I find it as difficult to understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science."

Oh yeah, is he German? Oh yeah, Germany isn't part of America.

How about someone extremely prominent from England, and taken from a British site?



Check out this self-written testimonial of this brilliant (he had 3 Ph. D's) scientist's conversion.

So, we know its an issue in Europe.


Ever heard of a guy named Young-Gil Kim, Blake? Didn't think so. The guy is well-known in the high-tech world, though. He's invented various high tech alloys used for many different purposes and oh yeah, he's a creationist.

Maybe you should educate yourself with this article he wrote concerning Creationism in Asia.

Yeah, there's something else in Asia that you may have not heard of ... or ever looked for, and our new friend Young-Gil Kim also happens to be residing Chairman of the Korea Association of Creation Research. The pages are in Korean, but a quick glance to the top left confirms it is the website.

Hm, so there's creationists all over the world? Oh yes. In fact, there are over 150 scientists, all with Ph. D's in many fields, who hold active membership in the KACR. An additional 300 scientists, with Master's degrees in various engineering and science fields, partake as well.

It's becoming quite overwhelming for the "mainstream" science crowd to quiet us down. In fact, way back in 1979 Larry Hatfield, writing for pro-evolution magazine Science Digest, had this to say:

"Scientists who utterly reject Evolution may be one of our fastest-growing controversial minorities… Many of the scientists supporting this position hold impressive credentials in science."


I don't need Mouse for this one.

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the first two guys you posted died 10 and 20 years ago. How does you quoting the works of two dead guys and taking a quote from a creationist in 1979 make this a current hot topic around the world?

Nobody is denying that there are creationists around the world.

Again, you misunderstood the question, which I'm not sure how to word any other way.

Here's a chart to help you out with this:

This chart depicts the public acceptance of evolution theory in 34 countries in 2005. Adults were asked to respond to the statement: "Human beings, as we know them, developed from earlier species of animals." The percentage of respondents who believed this to be true is marked in blue; those who believed it to be false, in red; and those who were not sure, in yellow.

A study of several such surveys taken since 1985 has found that the United States ranks next to last in acceptance of evolution theory among nations polled. Researchers point out that the number of Americans who are uncertain about the theory's validity has increased over the past 20 years.

Chart courtesy Jon Miller, et al./Science

I'll go ahead and wager you still don't understand what's being asked when I say "in what country is this currently a hot topic in"?

Really don't need a page long answer. One country with a source to back up exactly how it's a hot topic is all I'm asking for.

Pretty simple.

z0sa = -3 on answering a simple question.

[Blake]

Encore?

Richard Milton, who is no creationist: "Darwinism has never had much appeal for science outside of the English-speaking world, and has never appealed much to the American public (although popular with the U.S. scientific establishment in the past). However, its ascendancy in science, in both Britain and America, has been waning for several decades as its grip has weakened in successive areas: geology; paleontology; embryology; comparative anatomy. Now even geneticists are beginning to have doubts. It is only in mainstream molecular biology and zoology that Darwinism retains serious enthusiastic supporters. As growing numbers of scientists begin to drift away from neo-Darwinist ideas, the revision of Darwinism at the public level is long overdue, and is a process that I believe has already started."

Oh, what fields of study does our microbe fall into, hmm?
Which neo-Darwinist ideas? Like deep time? Macroevolution? The Geologic Column? Whatever method they used to date this 120,000 year microbe?

Soo.... creationism and its various concepts don't pose an issue in the entire world other than America? You anti-creationists just keep me laughing.

last we heard from Richard Milton was about 10 years ago.

Encore!

zosa: -4 at answering a simple question.

[z0sa]

dumbass here admits there's creationists all around the world, but not that creationism is a hot topic. How can it not be if there's hundreds of prominent creation scientists around the globe? You think two opposing view points in science just go away after a while? They're constantly butting heads. And this is perhaps science's biggest issue, and rift.

Darwinism/Evolution vs. Creationism has been a huge issue for quite some time, Blake. It won't ever not be. That includes the times you convinced yourself it's a non issue. It's what your evolutionary scientists want you to do, but it won't work anymore.

Let me spell out for you what you're too dense to grasp from the evidence I laid out for you.

1) many well educated, prominent individuals TODAY support creationism and reject one or more of the many ideas Darwinism presents. This is no reflection on their actual religion, if they follow one.

2) I gave you two extremely prominent individuals, who both professed creationism (even YE creationism) in different countries than america in the last quarter century. I know you're impatiently stupid, but prominent scientists don't make huge discoveries or get directly quoted about their beliefs very often. The fact two such exist in recent memory is more than sufficient to prove PPPP's assertion very wrong. Remember, today these scientists' have considerable contributions scientists still work off. Their words and works continue on today, whether you like it or not.

You just have no idea what you're talking about, do you? Answer honestly.

[Blake]

dumbass here admits there's creationists all around the world, but not that creationism is a hot topic. How can it not be if there's hundreds of prominent creation scientists around the globe? You think two opposing view points in science just go away after a while? They're constantly butting heads. And this is perhaps science's biggest issue, and rift.

Darwinism/Evolution vs. Creationism has been a huge issue for quite some time, Blake. It won't ever not be. That includes the times you convinced yourself it's a non issue.

Let me spell out for you what you're too dense to grasp from the evidence I laid out for you.

1) many well educated, prominent individuals TODAY support creationism and reject one or more of the many ideas Darwinism presents. This is no reflection on their actual religion, if they follow one.

2) I gave you two extremely prominent individuals, who both professed creationism (even YE creationism) in different countries than america in the last quarter century. I know you're impatiently stupid, but prominent scientists don't make huge discoveries or get directly quoted about their beliefs very often. The fact two such exist in recent memory is more than sufficient to prove PPPP's assertion very wrong.

In what country is this a hot topic in?

You just have no idea what you're talking about, do you? Answer honestly.

I absolutely do.

You have absolutely no idea what country other than the U.S. this might be a hot topic in, do you? Answer honestly.

zosa: -5 at answering a simple question

[z0sa]

zosa: -4 at answering a simple question.

your question is irrelevant. I already proved creationism ("'evolution' and the '5000-10000 year stuff'") is an issue in other countries.

You lose.

[z0sa]

In what country is this a hot topic in?



I absolutely do.

You have absolutely no idea what country other than the U.S. this might be a hot topic in, do you? Answer honestly.

zosa: -5 at answering a simple question

honestly, you're dense. it moved from "its not an issue anywhere but the USA" to "where is it a hot topic????".

I clearly proved my point. Everyone but you understands it. It doesn't need to be a new discovery or differently advocated within the past 2 months to keep garnering scientific interest. The fact hundreds and hundreds of scientists openly associate themselves with it, rather than relative obscurity or popular science ideals, is evidence to its pertinence. Each new discovery these scientists claim pushes creationism to the forefront. These discoveries occur all over the globe, by many nationalities.

No offense, but you americans crack me up!

I do respect all opinions but only in the US is this issue of "evolution" and "5,000 -10,000 year old earth" so...present...

Is that so?

[z0sa]

See, the problem here is honestly miscommunication. You have your 'normal' person. He believes everything in the OP's article without a second thought, because "scientists know way more about this than I do." He has no idea there is any conflict, or very little and its taught about in damning words at his local church, so he ends up phasing it out or just not ever going again. And that is a normal world view, even in Bible-thumpin USA. We're a secular West at a glance, but it goes a lot deeper than that.

Everyone of the world's nations is filled with religions and their followers. Many religions seek to reconcile faith with science. Take the Catholic Church for isntance. While a growing number of churchgoers are disregarding Darwinism, the Church itself adopted evolution within its ideals long ago. There are creationists who believe in an ancient earth as well, you know, but here is where the miscommunication occurs: PPPP states that these issues concerning th age of the earth/evolution don't exist. While I know, and have proof, that they do, the mainstream scientist ignores them in many cases, completely excluding the idea of creationism and any other alternate viewpoint than a totally naturalistic one. Today's scientist truly believes our deep seated religions and their views of creation, and even special creation, are faked.

Indeed, this has come to the point where scientist's have been given too much free ground to work with, far too many ideas that have been included and taught as factual without sufficient evidence, like the OP's article for instance. Nature is responsible for everything, but it seems the evidence doesn't always point that way. So scientists make it point that way. Milton touched on it in the previous quote - that there's a growing concern over the validity of various neo-Darwinist concepts. I hope the amount of creationist scientists continues to grow.

btw blake, I'm done with this thread. cod 5 was calling like 3 hours ago.

[Blake]

honestly, you're dense. it moved from "its not an issue anywhere but the USA" to "where is it a hot topic????".

are you mental?

it moved there because of the statement you are leaving out about there being tons of proof about it being issues in other countries.

I'm asking "in what other country is this a hot topic/issue/whatever the you want to call it?"

Is it really that hard to answer this? Is this really that far beyond your capabilities?

I clearly proved my point. Everyone but you understands it.

I get your point, which is a side point that doesn't answer the question.

"In what other country is this currently as big an issue as it is in the US?"

It doesn't need to be a new discovery or differently advocated within the past 2 months to keep garnering scientific interest.

2 months? The guys you've been quoting haven't done in the last decade.......and one of them died in the 70s.

The fact hundreds and hundreds of scientists openly associate themselves with it, rather than relative obscurity or popular science ideals, is evidence to its pertinence. Each new discovery these scientists claim pushes creationism to the forefront. These discoveries occur all over the globe, by many nationalities.

In what other country is this a hot issue?

do I need to clarify "general populace"?

what other parts of the question do you need clarification on?

Is that so?

In what other countries is this issue of "evolution" and "5,000 -10,000 year old earth" so...present...?

zosa: -6 at answering simple question

[Blake]

your question is irrelevant. I already proved creationism ("'evolution' and the '5000-10000 year stuff'") is an issue in other countries.

You lose.

all you did was list a few creationist researchers, some of whom have already died off.

The question is relevant because you claimed there are tons of proof.

I'm asking for the proof.

In what other countries is this currently an issue?