Obama's positive effects

[PEP]

So you don't agree with the way he handled the hostage negotiation with the pirates?

That was the on scene commanders call, not the President.

[Winehole23]

That was the on scene commanders call, not the President.

True, but without due authorization from POTUS, he probably wouldn't have made the call.

[Wild Cobra]

So you don't agree with the way he handled the hostage negotiation with the pirates?

For doing that any president could do sleep-walking?

I give him credit for doing the right thing. That's all. I would be happier if they actively started finding and start blowing those bas s off the surface. We have good enough satellite tracking for slow moving targets to monitor them and take action as required.

Time will tell on this one. Maybe they are doing more. I'll give him a pass if it never happens again to a US flag ship during his one or two terms. Failure if it happens again.

[LnGrrrR]

For doing that any president could do sleep-walking?

I give him credit for doing the right thing. That's all. I would be happier if they actively started finding and start blowing those bas s off the surface. We have good enough satellite tracking for slow moving targets to monitor them and take action as required.

Time will tell on this one. Maybe they are doing more. I'll give him a pass if it never happens again to a US flag ship during his one or two terms. Failure if it happens again.

Ah, so you admit he's had one positive outcome from a decision. Thanks!

And is it your logic that if something goes bad and a President makes a decision on it, and that bad thing repeats, that the President is a failure?

Additionally, the US has been using drones to hunt down drug-trafficking targets... wouldn't be surprised if they start using it for pirates too.

[Wild Cobra]

Ah, so you admit he's had one positive outcome from a decision. Thanks!

I'm not willing to go that far. How can you say that what should have been done is a positive? I go as far as giving him credit as to not making it a negative. To say he did something positive over the matter so far is as far fetched as congratulating a police officer for writing a speeding ticket. It's his job. Just that simple. I will congratulate him if he takes a proactive support to neutralize them.

[jman3000]

meh... just sounds like more Obama derangement syndrome.

[LnGrrrR]

I'm not willing to go that far. How can you say that what should have been done is a positive? I go as far as giving him credit as to not making it a negative. To say he did something positive over the matter so far is as far fetched as congratulating a police officer for writing a speeding ticket. It's his job. Just that simple. I will congratulate him if he takes a proactive support to neutralize them.

What about Obama keeping in place the idea of state secrets to prevent disclosure of possible terrorism details in court? You don't approve of that?

[jman3000]

Anything that could possibly seen as a positive he'll just rationalize it as "something he should have done".

No matter what Obama does he's not gonna give credit. There's a "should have done it" and a "shouldn't have done it"... there is no slot for "good job that he did it"

[Winehole23]

Yonivore at least acknowledged the areas of continuity with GWB and gave Obama props for his *good judgment*; WC seems to lack the intellectual integrity to do so, or even to acknowledge that Obama may gotten a thing or two right.

[Creepn]

I would be happier if they actively started finding and start blowing those bas s off the surface. We have good enough satellite tracking for slow moving targets to monitor them and take action as required.

Were you in the military? Because one thing I can't stand is some repub/conservo guy that views our servicemen as just expendable lives just to achieve their sadistic political views. Even if you did serve in the military, its still bad but not just as bad as some politcal computer geek screaming for war like its a RISK game.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Were you in the military? Because one thing I can't stand is some repub/conservo guy that views our servicemen as just expendable lives just to achieve their sadistic political views. Even if you did serve in the military, its still bad but not just as bad as some politcal computer geek screaming for war like its a RISK game.

You are so un-American.. don't you know that conservatives have the issue of patriotism cornered?

[Wild Cobra]

What about Obama keeping in place the idea of state secrets to prevent disclosure of possible terrorism details in court? You don't approve of that?

Again, he's just doing something he's expected to. Has he actually done anything positive, or can you only come up with neutral stuff?

Approval? Maybe it's the right word. Nothing better than that though.

Again, has he actually done anything positive? Something that likely wouldn't be done with just anyone else sitting at his desk? Isn't that what this thread is about?

[Wild Cobra]

Were you in the military?

11 years and 20 days active.

[Wild Cobra]

Yonivore at least acknowledged the areas of continuity with GWB and gave Obama props for his *good judgment*; WC seems to lack the intellectual integrity to do so, or even to acknowledge that Obama may gotten a thing or two right.

Really?

I gave him props for his signing statements, that he will not congress infringe on his Article II powers. Don't you remember? Who's being intellectually dishonest?

You never got back to me about any of President Bush's signing statements being different.

Again, who's lacking intellectual integrity? You expect something that amounts to a grade of "C" to be something to jump for joy about? I freely admit I do not like President Obama. I am taking this thread at face value. Is it positive. Doing what is right and expected does not sway my needle. He gets a passing grade of a "C" for these actions. Nothing better, nothing worse.

[Wild Cobra]

Even if you did serve in the military, its still bad but not just as bad as some politcal computer geek screaming for war like its a RISK game.

I'll be nice and pretend you really aren't that ignorant/stupid/intolerant (please choose the appropriate word.)

[LnGrrrR]

Really?

I gave him props for his signing statements, that he will not congress infringe on his Article II powers. Don't you remember? Who's being intellectually dishonest?

You never got back to me about any of President Bush's signing statements being different.

Again, who's lacking intellectual integrity? You expect something that amounts to a grade of "C" to be something to jump for joy about? I freely admit I do not like President Obama. I am taking this thread at face value. Is it positive. Doing what is right and expected does not sway my needle. He gets a passing grade of a "C" for these actions. Nothing better, nothing worse.

What grade does Bush get?

[LnGrrrR]

Again, he's just doing something he's expected to. Has he actually done anything positive, or can you only come up with neutral stuff?

Approval? Maybe it's the right word. Nothing better than that though.

Again, has he actually done anything positive? Something that likely wouldn't be done with just anyone else sitting at his desk? Isn't that what this thread is about?

Is there anything that Obama COULD do, that you would consider positive, that you wouldn't consider something he's "just supposed to do"?

[Wild Cobra]

Is there anything that Obama COULD do, that you would consider positive, that you wouldn't consider something he's "just supposed to do"?

Sure. I just cannot imagine him doing it. He could continue with the "Bush Tax Cuts." He could reverse his position on socializing things. He could tell congress he wants them to take back all the bailout money not spent yet.

In short, anything that defies liberalism and isn't an expected part of his position.

[Wild Cobra]

What grade does Bush get?

Better, but not a whole lot more on average. I give him D's and F's for some things. At least he knew tax cuts were good and tried to be a good Commander in Chief. I give him A's for these.

[LnGrrrR]

Sure. I just cannot imagine him doing it. He could continue with the "Bush Tax Cuts." He could reverse his position on socializing things. He could tell congress he wants them to take back all the bailout money not spent yet.

In short, anything that defies liberalism and isn't an expected part of his position.

Given this, I think that there's a good chance you'll go the next 4 years without anything you see as 'positive'.

[Winehole23]

Really?

I gave him props for his signing statements, that he will not congress infringe on his Article II powers. Don't you remember? Who's being intellectually dishonest?

I forgot about that. That makes me dishonest? Oh well...thanks for the reminder. Your posts hitherto in this thread created a different impression.

You never got back to me about any of President Bush's signing statements being different.

I never saw your *challenge* until just now. As usual, you sought to rely on others to do your homework for you, and got spanked by FWD. I have nothing useful to add to the record. Signing statements are not objectionable per se, but can be pernicious in their effects. This has nothing to do with the precise wording, but with the legal theories and opinions underpinning them. The burden of showing they are the same for Obama and Bush is yours, since yours was the original post. Good luck.

I freely admit I do not like President Obama. I am taking this thread at face value. Is it positive. Doing what is right and expected does not sway my needle. He gets a passing grade of a "C" for these actions. Nothing better, nothing worse.

That's fine. You're swaying back and forth a bit on the point, but that is neither here nor there. Whatever Obama may do right is neutral to you. Does not move the needle. This restates jman's characterization upstream, FWIW.

[Wild Cobra]

Given this, I think that there's a good chance you'll go the next 4 years without anything you see as 'positive'.

Very possible. The signing statements will likely be the best I will give him because he had to in essence defy his congress, and after chastising President Bush for the same things he's doing. Similar things as that, where he ends up breaking his promises for the right reasons may cross into the positive territory.