Ioannis Bourousis to Stay in Greece

[samikeyp]

They beat Greece by 23 points in non elimination game which everyone knows European teams NEVER play full in non elimination game. If you do not believe it then check game 1 versus Spain 37 points win and game 2 without Calderon was 11 points win.

Well there is a problem right there.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Compete as in sign NBA players, not compete as in actually beating an NBA team on the court.

And @ your homer love for PAO. I couldn't care less what happens in some scrub league. According to you, I'm sure the Spurs could be purchased by that greek club and PAO would still beat them. They haves not chances to beat PAO!

Bottomline is that if it comes down to Holt versus some greek mythological owner who celebrated in his overbidding for Josh Childress, Holt isn't the one that is going to win that war.

Why do you not listen to someone trying to explain the situation? of course Olympiacos acn outbid the Spurs. There is no CBA in European basketball they can spend whatever they want. Also they can probably buy the Spurs owner over 10-12 times if not more with the money they have.

But that is not the point. They do not need Bourousis. Do you understand that? He is not needed in the roster and having him or not having him will make no difference in beating PAO. They even said they consider him a luxury signing. They don't need him so they will pay him a certain amount and that is it.

You brag that you do "follow a scrub league" well then maybe you do not know as well as you think you do. If you knew about it you would know that Olympiacos has Vujcic, Sofo, Erceg, Vougioukas, Glyniadakis, Mavrokefalidis already in center position.

Probably any of them could make it to the NBA and Glyniadakis for sure would be one of the best centers in the NBA if he ever got a fair chance. But yet you make it sound like they must keep Bourousis. They don't even need him. He is a luxury player and as long as he does not go to the rival PAO or to another Euroleague club like Real then there is no reason to pay him a huge salary to keep him. They don't have to worry about the Spurs. if he goes to the Spurs it does not affect them and he cannot help another team beat them in Greek league or Euroleague.

Besides not needing him they have REAL needs like a point guard that they need with great desperation. Or a shooting guard with size that they need very badly. They will certainly not stand a chance in of winning next year if they keep Bourousis and do not fix those problems. But you make it sound like the only they care about is making splash signings.

They have tried that for 2 years in a row and it does not work. They need to make the roster moves that are needed. So they could actually have a chance of winning. They could win Euroleague without having to play PAO so it is possible if they made smart moves. They do not even need Bourousis he is probably #4 most important issue for them. #1 is a point guard, #2 is a SG and #3 is keeping Printezis who they need much more because they do not have another PF.

[objective]

http://www.sportaction.gr/do ent.p...ment_id=132568

Oly and Bourousis' agent have had another meeting today. They talked during 3 and a half hours. Numbers given in this article are that Bourousis wants €2M per year while Oly offers €1.2M per year. Astmosphere around negotiations is very good and there will maybe have a new meeting between Oly and Bourousis' agent to reach an agreement.

No!

NO!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

[ChumpDumper]

Probably any of them could make it to the NBA and Glyniadakis for sure would be one of the best centers in the NBA if he ever got a fair chance

Dude averaged 15 and 6 in his best year in the D-League. He could maybe play in the NBA, but one of the best centers?

No.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Seriously if you think a Euroleague All Star Team would beat an NBA All Star Team, you have tzaziki in your brain.

WTF? I said take the 12 best players from Lithuania, Serbia, Croatia, Greece and only if they play in Euroleague. Take that roster and put them against Redeem team.

I gurantee they will beat the Redeem Team. It would be a roster probably twice as good as any Spain or Argentina has ever had. If you really know basketball and really had knowledge of it you would already be aware of that.

The Redeem Team can and should beat any other country yes. But against the best eastern European countries together? They would be outmatched and those countries would not even need to bring their NBA players. You could even throw in some Slovenian non NBA players.

[Vic Petro]

Also, Sofoklis S. could not make it in the NBA. In fact, he sucks.

[samikeyp]

WTF? I said take the 12 best players from Lithuania, Serbia, Croatia, Greece and only if they play in Euroleague. Take that roster and put them against Redeem team.

I gurantee they will beat the Redeem Team. It would be a roster probably twice as good as any Spain or Argentina has ever had. If you really know basketball and really had knowledge of it you would already be aware of that.

The Redeem Team can and should beat any other country yes. But against the best eastern European countries together? They would be outmatched and those countries would not even need to bring their NBA players. You could even throw in some Slovenian non NBA players.

Redeem team by 15

If you allow the NBA's 12 best (since you are letting Euroleague do that) and give both teams equal time to prepare...

NBA by 20

[samikeyp]

BTW....why is it arrogant if I say the redeem team would win but its not arrogant for you to guarantee that the Euro team would win?

Oh and KBP...you still haven't answered my question.

Overall, which league is better, NBA or Euro.

[Vic Petro]

WTF? I said take the 12 best players from Lithuania, Serbia, Croatia, Greece and only if they play in Euroleague. Take that roster and put them against Redeem team.

I gurantee they will beat the Redeem Team. It would be a roster probably twice as good as any Spain or Argentina has ever had. If you really know basketball and really had knowledge of it you would already be aware of that.

The Redeem Team can and should beat any other country yes. But against the best eastern European countries together? They would be outmatched and those countries would not even need to bring their NBA players. You could even throw in some Slovenian non NBA players.

But the Redeem Team was not the 12 best players from the US. If you take the 12 best players from the US, then the 12 best players from Europe. Give each team 4 weeks to practice together and bill it as the true Championship of the world. The US would not lose.

[DPG21920]

Look, there have been a number a greek news reports indicating the spurs have serious interest in Bourousis and have made a verbal offer. They also state nothing formal can happen until July 1. Now you might not trust greek media but given pop recently watched the guy play in the final 4 a couple weeks ago i buy it.

Here you go...i took all these links from another board.

Greek news link comfirming the spurs have made a verbal offer:
http://www.sportnet.gr/report.aspx?id=190650

and another one confirming the spur interest:
http://www.goalday.gr/article.asp?ca...&pubid=3013382


The following from a papr called :Fos" which is apparantly the authority on all things Olympiakos

Re cutting the team basketball budget
http://www.contra.gr/pops/news_large...&date=13062009

Concern over Bouroussis & Printezis...
http://www.contra.gr/pops/news_large...&date=14062009

Yes, but once again. look at how the information varies from one report to the next. There is absolutely no consistency and the numbers and facts change daily from report to report. That is why the credibility comes into question.

Then when you move from facts to logic, it becomes even worse.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Dude averaged 15 and 6 in his best year in the D-League. He could maybe play in the NBA, but one of the best centers?

No.

Again more ignorance and US NBA fan bull . Glyniadakis is much better than most NBA centers. You have some kind of brain block and mental disorder that you can't think for yourself. Spanoulis and Glyniadakis and also Fotsis are Greek players that went to the NBA and didn't get playing time for various issues.

But all 3 of them could easily play and be very good players in the NBA. And you arguing it does not mean . And them not getting much playing time as a foreign rookie does not mean either and if you had a brain you would know that. I am sure some Greek players like Sofo for example can make the NBA and I am sure would truly suck and be just like a 10-15 man level player and there are some others that would be the same.

But Fotsis is a serious serious player and would be a prize for NBA teams if he got a chance. Glyniadakis is for sure better than most NBA centers. Spanoulis...........if he had any coach in NBA other than Van Gundy he would be considered a better point guard than Parker is.

You are so smart that you would have been telling people off and laughing at them if they said maybe Jermaine O'Neal or any number of players could play but there coach refused them a chance. And don't give me the bull racist American only crap either. Petrovich was benched and not played in Portland for 2 years then got a chance in the Nets and was all NBA. NBA fans were making fun of him, calling him names saying he sucked when he was in Portland. Spanoulis would be just the same only he could actually be first team all NBA if he got the right chance.

And just because some arrogant person like you that has never even seen these players play says different does not change anything. I see over and over in this board this same stupid crap. Glynidakis is a damn good freaking player and he is far better than any Spurs center since The Admiral.

[DPG21920]

What do you say about Bruno's post, KBP? It seems he is not so confident that he will be a Spur. It seems to imply that if Real matches what he is asking, he will be with Real.

[ChumpDumper]

Again more ignorance and US NBA fan bull . Glyniadakis is much better than most NBA centers. You have some kind of brain block and mental disorder that you can't think for yourself. Spanoulis and Glyniadakis and also Fotsis are Greek players that went to the NBA and didn't get playing time for various issues.

But all 3 of them could easily play and be very good players in the NBA. And you arguing it does not mean . And them not getting much playing time as a foreign rookie does not mean either and if you had a brain you would know that. I am sure some Greek players like Sofo for example can make the NBA and I am sure would truly suck and be just like a 10-15 man level player and there are some others that would be the same.

But Fotsis is a serious serious player and would be a prize for NBA teams if he got a chance. Glyniadakis is for sure better than most NBA centers. Spanoulis...........if he had any coach in NBA other than Van Gundy he would be considered a better point guard than Parker is.

You are so smart that you would have been telling people off and laughing at them if they said maybe Jermaine O'Neal or any number of players could play but there coach refused them a chance. And don't give me the bull racist American only crap either. Petrovich was benched and not played in Portland for 2 years then got a chance in the Nets and was all NBA. NBA fans were making fun of him, calling him names saying he sucked when he was in Portland. Spanoulis would be just the same only he could actually be first team all NBA if he got the right chance.

And just because some arrogant person like you that has never even seen these players play says different does not change anything. I see over and over in this board this same stupid crap. Glynidakis is a damn good freaking player and he is far better than any Spurs center since The Admiral.

He's ok. I watched him play a lot in the D-League. I mentioned him more than once as a potential signing for the Spurs -- you can look that up. He reminded me of Rasho when the Spurs fattened him up to play against Shaq. Skilled and slow.

He wouldn't be one of the best centers in the NBA, that's just stupid. He could play in the league like the other players you mentioned, but you have no objectivity when it comes to Greek players. It's the same crap over and over.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Also, Sofoklis S. could not make it in the NBA. In fact, he sucks.

I said make it to the NBA. Stop twisting the words of others.

[Vic Petro]

Again more ignorance and US NBA fan bull . Glyniadakis is much better than most NBA centers. You have some kind of brain block and mental disorder that you can't think for yourself. Spanoulis and Glyniadakis and also Fotsis are Greek players that went to the NBA and didn't get playing time for various issues.

But all 3 of them could easily play and be very good players in the NBA. And you arguing it does not mean . And them not getting much playing time as a foreign rookie does not mean either and if you had a brain you would know that. I am sure some Greek players like Sofo for example can make the NBA and I am sure would truly suck and be just like a 10-15 man level player and there are some others that would be the same.

But Fotsis is a serious serious player and would be a prize for NBA teams if he got a chance. Glyniadakis is for sure better than most NBA centers. Spanoulis...........if he had any coach in NBA other than Van Gundy he would be considered a better point guard than Parker is.

You are so smart that you would have been telling people off and laughing at them if they said maybe Jermaine O'Neal or any number of players could play but there coach refused them a chance. And don't give me the bull racist American only crap either. Petrovich was benched and not played in Portland for 2 years then got a chance in the Nets and was all NBA. NBA fans were making fun of him, calling him names saying he sucked when he was in Portland. Spanoulis would be just the same only he could actually be first team all NBA if he got the right chance.

And just because some arrogant person like you that has never even seen these players play says different does not change anything. I see over and over in this board this same stupid crap. Glynidakis is a damn good freaking player and he is far better than any Spurs center since The Admiral.

If Spanoulis got a chance he's be 1st team All NBA? So he's better than Dwyane Wade, Kobe Bryant and Chris Paul (2nd Team).

Riiiiigggggggghhhhhhhhttttttttt.

[Vic Petro]

I said make it to the NBA. Stop twisting the words of others.

He cannot make it to the NBA, in the NBA, or around the NBA. Again, he sucks.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Redeem team by 15

If you allow the NBA's 12 best (since you are letting Euroleague do that) and give both teams equal time to prepare...

NBA by 20

WTF is wrong with you? Euroleague's best? I never said anything about Euroleague's best? You want Euroleague best? It would even BETTER than the team I was talking about.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

But the Redeem Team was not the 12 best players from the US. If you take the 12 best players from the US, then the 12 best players from Europe. Give each team 4 weeks to practice together and bill it as the true Championship of the world. The US would not lose.

Let me try to compare what is in your mind then. Name me please these 12 best US players so I know what roster you are thinking of.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I know...that is where I stole it from.

KPB...overall, playoffs, regular season everything, the leagues as a whole...which league is better, NBA or Euroleague?

I already said NBA is best. But this is ridiculous the way NBA fans talk about it like it is MLS versus Champions league which is so absurd. the NBA is better no doubt but it is fairly close and yet the NBA fans here make it seem like Ryan Bowen would be Jordan in Euroleague. And you know that you talk that way.

[ceds]

Yes, but once again. look at how the information varies from one report to the next. There is absolutely no consistency and the numbers and facts change daily from report to report. That is why the credibility comes into question.

Then when you move from facts to logic, it becomes even worse.

Forget figuers and if he signs or not...

The question is whether the spurs have made an offer.

Ive just provided an example of a legit greek media source stating that the spurs have interest in Bourousis and have made an offer.

Are you people saying this is made up?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

What do you say about Bruno's post, KBP? It seems he is not so confident that he will be a Spur. It seems to imply that if Real matches what he is asking, he will be with Real.

Which one?

[Spursfan092120]

Which one?

http://www.sportaction.gr/do ent.p...ment_id=132568

Oly and Bourousis' agent have had another meeting today. They talked during 3 and a half hours. Numbers given in this article are that Bourousis wants €2M per year while Oly offers €1.2M per year. Astmosphere around negotiations is very good and there will maybe have a new meeting between Oly and Bourousis' agent to reach an agreement.

[Vic Petro]

Let me try to compare what is in your mind then. Name me please these 12 best US players so I know what roster you are thinking of.

First of all I agree that saying Premiership/MLS : NBA/Euroleague is out of line.

As for your other question, off the top of my head:

Chris Paul
Dwyane Wade
Kobe
Dwight Howard
LeBron
Chauncey Billups
Carmelo Anthony
Tim Duncan
Deron Williams
Kevin Garnett
Chris Bosh
Paul Pierce

That's just off the top of my head without checking rosters etc.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

He's ok. I watched him play a lot in the D-League. I mentioned him more than once as a potential signing for the Spurs -- you can look that up. He reminded me of Rasho when the Spurs fattened him up to play against Shaq. Skilled and slow.

He wouldn't be one of the best centers in the NBA, that's just stupid. He could play in the league like the other players you mentioned, but you have no objectivity when it comes to Greek players. It's the same crap over and over.

Let me say i agree with your view of him then. But he always had ability. He was good enough then to contribute in the NBA if he got a fair chance. he wanted 20 minutes from the Sonics and they would not give it to him as a rookie so he left for more money in Europe.

But you cannot compare him then to now. Then he was just a player of pure potential. A tough guy with a big heart and big body, good skills but not ready to make things happen in the court. He is totally different now.

He is a force to be reckoned with these days. Back when he was in US he was a potential player. The Pistons even said they took him early as he would a first round pick the next year. But it doesn't matter even though teams like Pistons and Sonics did believe in him he was surely not ready. Don't get me wrong I am not saying his situation is like Spanoulis in NBA. He was not ready what I mean by fair chance is good playing time and in today's time.

Back then there is not a chance in that Glyniadakis could make the Greek national team and now he is on it. Back then a huge club like Olympiacos would never be interested in him or even last year PAO wanted him. In the time of now he can definitely handle a lot of NBA centers. Him and Fotsis just were not ready for the NBA they went to soon and then they got mad about being benched and came to Europe again for playing time and big raises after just a year. It's not like Spanoulis who was completely ready and was just screwed by a stupid coach. But in today's time there is zero doubt to me that Fotsis and Glyniadakis would be good NBA players. If Scola can have the impact he has had then it is without a doubt a guy like Fotsis would be a very nice NBA player in this day.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

If Spanoulis got a chance he's be 1st team All NBA? So he's better than Dwyane Wade, Kobe Bryant and Chris Paul (2nd Team).

Riiiiigggggggghhhhhhhhttttttttt.

Yes he is definitely better than Chris Paul is. I thought no before the NBA playoffs but I watched them. I watched the Hornets and Nuggets series. Spanoulis is easily a better player than Paul is.