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When Kobe wins 6 les as the lead man then we can have an agument. Right now he has only one, with a supporting cast collectively better than the Bulls had in the 90's.
Yes I know Im a Bulls fan but I want to present this argument. I hope you guys can prove me wrong since it would be nice for MJ to be the GOAT but I think Kobe has something to say about this. You guys flamed me in the other thread for even comparing Gasol to Pippen. You guys made it seem like Pippen is 500x greater than Gasol and that Gasol is nowhere near Pippen. If thats true, then Kobe has won the champion with much much much much less supporting cast than did MJ. Now considering Pippen is that much good, I doubt The Bulls would have won that much games during their championship years without Scottie Pippen.. Probably a Pippen less Bulls would have gotten to 50 wins with a 4th seed or lower. With that being said Jordan would not have had 6 rings (who knows how much rings he would have had) and with his team's record not being so high, he wouldnt have won those MVPs. Most of the people's argument when comparing Jordan to Kobe is that Jordan has more MVPS more les, 3 peat etc.... Kobe won without much help Jordan had all the help he can get.
When Kobe wins 6 les as the lead man then we can have an agument. Right now he has only one, with a supporting cast collectively better than the Bulls had in the 90's.
Better?
Starters
Jordan > Kobe
Pippen >>> Ariza
Harper > Fisher
Gasol > Kukoc
Bynum > Longley
Bench
Kerr > Farmar
Rodman > Odom
So in your thread le you say Kobe > MJ, but now its MJ > Kobe?
No I made the rosters like that from the poster's (Bump) Perspective.....So in your thread le you say Kobe > MJ, but now its MJ > Kobe?
- "Sssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh."
- Derek Fisher - June.15.2001 - Philadelphia, PA.
No you didn't.
He said the Lakers had a better supporting cast and then you posted it as the Bulls having a better cast.
Exactly to prove to him that Indeed Bulls had the better supporting cast which goes against his argument
having better bench players < having a strong frontcourt. and i hate these threads. as bump said, let kobe repeat last year's feat at least twice more, nevermind 5 times, before comparing him to MJ.
Why must a player have a lot of les in order to be considered one of the greatest?
Because Media set that precedent when they took off after Jordan to make their bones. Most forget how miserable they made it for Jordan until he won that first one. Media was about to do likewise to Daddy, especially after all the stupid things the man had said, but, he won that first one in '00---defaulting Kobe with him sending Media into a three year tailspin. Lo & behold just about the time that Kobe is really going nutty nuts (Media wouldn't look at the default from 2000-2002) over this Shaq thing he ups, draws Orlando and gets straightened out. Simmons, the poor thing, he's about to do the dutch over it all. And Walton, that hump is torn terrifically twixt his son winning it and Lakers never winning it. HTF can he find peace? LMAO!
So you DO think Mj is better than Kobe? Even tho your thread le says the opposite?
Agreed. You can make the claim in the le of this thread if Kobe as the go-to guy and Gasol as the second fiddle won 5 more les. I'll even give him the benefit of the doubt and say if Kobe and Gasol won three more les, it could be a legitimate argument. But, not when it's been just one le for Kobe-Gasol compared to 6 les with MJ-Pippen.
Duders, back away from that button that says {PANIC}. Jesus H. Christ, Kobe has 4 NBA Championships. Don't go off half ed. Don't go nutty-nuts. Yer OK. Maybe Odom won't return. Maybe Ariza won't return. Maybe y'all will steal Phil's large chair\then maybe he won't return. It's a long way till next June. In the interim let us go hand-in-hand and enjoy this NBA Championship by the Los Angeles Lakers. It's their 15th. And at least you ain't the Phoenix, who've tried 41 times and are still bereft. So count yer blessings.
So you admit you're wrong after 1 post?
That was easy.
lol thats what I was trying to tell him, he doesnt seem to understand what i meant.
MJ was and will always be better than kobe, I don't care about supporting casts. If I was to start a team, and I had the choice to pick either Kobe or MJ at their prime, I would pick MJ 9 out of 10 times.
I agree. Probably your same 9 out 10 equation, only for people would agree. I bet Kobe don't agree. It's probably never been about Daddy with him. It's probably always been about Michael and those 6 rings and the infinite growing legend. Now's he's got the solid citizen in Gasol whom he can trust to attempt it. Gasol don't hate as Kobe hates, but, Gasol understands the American game of basketball. That's a rarity in foreign players. Manu understands and thrives on it. Conversely Yao don't understand it and they eat him alive. Dirk, same thing.
i used to think they were equal too...
then i went back and reviewed their stats and its not even close actually. Jordan's stats DESTROY kobes
People are forgetting that without Pippen Jordan would have never won those les nor won those 5 MVPs....... If you guys claim Pippen is >>>> Gasol then that just proves Kobe had less to work with to achieve his goal....
Where do I say Kobe >> Jordan?
I said if Pippen >>> Gasol then Kobe >> MJ
To me Gasol is just as effective as Pippen was with MJ
les doesnt prove anything.......... Robert Horry won as much les as both of them and I dont see him in the talks of GOAT
This thread is about Pippen and Gasol, yet you compare them to other players instead of each other?
I normally dont like responding to your posts because everything you say is always re ed, Id rather make arguments with Intelligent people but...... Re Read post # 2 and youll see why I made that post.
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