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    Jman, I watched it. It was far more disturbing than the first which was already bad. Just horrible and beyond my contemplation. I hope the Iranians are able to succeed peacefully with as little bloodshed as possible but I know these things never happen without it.
    It's not relegated to Tehran anymore. It's nationwide. There are protests all over and there's no way we can possibly know how big this has become. Like I said before, I think that once the sun sets this thing is going to get exponentially worse. I'm actually going to agree with Krauthammer somewhat in regards to all they need right now is for some of the police forces to either put their weapons down or switch sides.

    If/when Mousavi becomes a martyr, if/when the police start to question their orders, if/when this spreads beyond the youth, then revolution WILL take place.

    One thing is for sure... Iran will not be the same after this no matter what.

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    CNN probably has the best coverage of this right now.
    CNN always has the best coverage when it comes to the middle east.

    What videos are ya'll talking about? Link?

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    This is from Mousavi's facebook so I'm not sure how true it is, but its reportedly one of the people in the videos of the woman who was shot.

    Basij shots to death a young woman in Tehran's Saturday June 20th protests At 19:05 June 20th Place: Karekar Ave., at the corner crossing Khosravi St. and Salehi st. A young woman who was standing aside with her father watching the protests was shot by a basij member hiding on the rooftop of a civilian house. He had clear shot at the girl and could not miss her. However, he aimed straight her heart. I am a doctor, so I rushed to try to save her. But the impact of the gunshot was so fierce that the bullet had blasted inside the victim's chest, and she died in less than 2 minutes. The protests were going on about 1 kilometers away in the main street and some of the protesting crowd were running from tear gass used among them, towards Salehi St. The film is shot by my friend who was standing beside me. Please let the world know.

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    e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 MannyIsGod's Avatar
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    CNN always has the best coverage when it comes to the middle east.

    What videos are ya'll talking about? Link?

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/

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    I actually hope CNN shows that video - its even on facebook now so they have to have seen it.

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    CNN always has the best coverage when it comes to the middle east.

    What videos are ya'll talking about? Link?
    google andrew sullivan and check out his blog like manny said

    it has live tweets, updates, videos.

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    N/m

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    Darrin can't wrap his head around the fact that they don't need us to do anything for them right. He's been told the lie that the only way those people succeed is if we do something - anything - to facilitate them. He just refuses to acknowledge the sentiment of the Iranian people regarding American interference and he continues to try to make this about Obama when it is about the Persian people who have had enough and no one else.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124537040666029677.html




    Don't Accept This Coup
    By Kaveh from Tabriz

    Ahmadinejad has taken revenge on the students of Iran during these violent days. The regime's aim is to damage universities, since they are the first base of change, movement and protest.

    I live in the dorms at Tehran University. I was asleep when Basij militiamen entered my room early Monday morning, demolished everything and started beating us. A man with a long beard broke my notebook and said: "It is destroyed, this book that you were using against Islam and Ahmadinejad."

    They beat students more when they saw posters of Mousavi in their rooms. And they carried big knives and guns.

    They also attacked the women's dormitory next door. The Supreme Leader calls us rioters, but I want to ask him: How can sleeping women in their beds be rioters? Is this the Islamic justice he believes in?

    President Obama's speech was good; he says that he will support us. He also said that nations must decide the fate of their countries by themselves. I agree with him, but now we don't have any power to change the situation, so we need help and attention.

    We ask the president not to accept this coup d'etat.



    By the way, I'm sure you'll change your tone when Obama does, and he will.

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    By the way, I'm sure you'll change your tone when Obama does, and he will.
    He has no choice now.

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    Darrin you're impossible. This is why no one takes you seriously.

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    ...and he's allegedly the crazy one.

    If you're an isolationist, Ron Paul is your man. He and Pat Buchanan.

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    I actually hope CNN shows that video - its even on facebook now so they have to have seen it.
    That one guy they just interviewed brought it up, and the reporter quickly changed the subject so i doubt it will be shown

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    @ Pat Buchanan being an isolationist.

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    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124537040666029677.html


    By the way, I'm sure you'll change your tone when Obama does, and he will.
    what the ? I've been saying this whole time that's it's not whether he does it or not... it's when he does it.

    You've been the one ing that he should have said something days ago. Which was the single most wrong thing to do at the time.

    You're wrong. You've been wrong this entire ing time. Get over it.

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    If your an isolationist, Ron Paul is your man. He and Pat Buchanan.
    If you don't want the state dragging the American people into foreign crises which have absolutely nothing to do with national defense then, yes, Paul is the man. Surely you can distinguish between the people and state, or have you totally sold your soul to the state?

    As for "isolationalist," I'm not sure you have a complete understanding of what that entails, and how that does not preclude private condemnation of the Iranian state's actions.

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    It appears you are right about Buchanan, Darrin. For whatever reason, I attributed completely different views to him.

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    Darrin, remind us again what good Obama's saying what you wanted him to say would do for the protesters.

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    what the ? I've been saying this whole time that's it's not whether he does it or not... it's when he does it.

    You've been the one ing that he should have said something days ago. Which was the single most wrong thing to do at the time.

    You're wrong. You've been wrong this entire ing time. Get over it.

    You saying I'm wrong makes it so.

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    And btw, that article you posted wasn't asking for Obama to say something. They're asking for flat out help. Are you advocating we help them Darrin?

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    You saying I'm wrong makes it so.
    You being wrong and completely ignorant as to the specifics of the situation makes you wrong. Not anything I say.

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    You saying I'm wrong makes it so.
    You can't even articulate your view, Darrin. Jman's provided a lot of reasoning for his view. What have you done outside of copy and paste? You're the last person on this site who should be acting as though someone hasn't provided substance or proof.

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    And so the Wilsonian disease continues to infect these United States.

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    Iranian students say they're doomed if Obama recognizes Iran's election result


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    Thanks Manny, very sad. Made me think of that phrase "the road to freedom is paved with blood". For some reason I always thought Iranians were a fairly well armed population. I'm going to go give my guns a hug now.

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