Bloody day in Iran

[MannyIsGod]

When on earth has he given any indication of doing that? That video is also days old. You literally went searching for something of that nature, didn't you? You don't see the problem with that, do you?

[jman3000]

It's around 11 PM in Iran right now. Let's see where this goes.

[jman3000]

I actually hope CNN shows that video - its even on facebook now so they have to have seen it.

They just showed it... but they pixelated the out of it.

[SnakeBoy]

Well, as this turns bloody Obama has no choice but to condemn the actions. He can't sit on the sidelines and he definitely can't sit down with Ahmadinejad. Imagine that photo op of Obama and Ahmadinejad shaking hands and smiling. He'd get destroyed politically.

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah I saw. Really took out the effect of the video.

[MannyIsGod]

Well, as this turns bloody Obama has no choice but to condemn the actions. He can't sit on the sidelines and he definitely can't sit down with Ahmadinejad. Imagine that photo op of Obama and Ahmadinejad shaking hands and smiling. He'd get destroyed politically.

You guys are amazing.

[ChumpDumper]

He can't sit on the sidelines

Of course he can. If we are going to go with the sports analogies, he'll be talking about the game at the very most. Nobody is going to play but the Iranians.

[MannyIsGod]

Thanks Manny, very sad. Made me think of that phrase "the road to freedom is paved with blood". For some reason I always thought Iranians were a fairly well armed population. I'm going to go give my guns a hug now.

It is definetly one of the sadest things I've ever seen.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

So it's 11 pm there right now? What's the delay for footage we're getting, cuz all that shows daylight still.

I wonder if insurgents in other battlezones in the ME are using this huge story as a media cover to take rash action of their own. I perused google news and it said 50 dead in one attack in iraq. That sounds like alot for one attack.

[jman3000]

So it's 11 pm there right now? What's the delay for footage we're getting, cuz all that shows daylight still.

I wonder if insurgents in other battlezones in the ME are using this huge story as a media cover to take rash action of their own. I perused google news and it said 50 dead in one attack in iraq. That sounds like alot for one attack.

Sun sets at 830. So the videos coming in were probably shot around 5 or 6... then the person went home and uploaded it onto their computer around 7 or 8.

[jman3000]

According to AS's sources 30-40 dead in one hospital in Tehran. The body count is probably in the hundreds if one hospital alone has that type of body count. Thousands probably injured.

I really wish he hadn't placed that picture there. I think people can see it for themselves if they watched the video.

[SnakeBoy]

You guys are amazing.

Don't lump us together. I haven't been critical of Obama's stance. Today's events will change his stance, wait and see.

he'll be talking about the game at the very most.

Talking is all I'm talking about. Words matter remember.

[ChumpDumper]

Talking is all I'm talking about. Words matter remember.

Not as much as you think or in the way you might think.

[MannyIsGod]

CBF, I just saw a video of the nighttime chanting in Tehran on facebook, but I don't think I can link it here. It just takes time for these things to filter through.

[jman3000]

The Iranian government must understand that the world is watching. We mourn each and every innocent life that is lost. We call on the Iranian government to stop all violent and unjust actions against its own people. The universal rights to assembly and free speech must be respected, and the United States stands with all who seek to exercise those rights.

As I said in Cairo, suppressing ideas never succeeds in making them go away. The Iranian people will ultimately judge the actions of their own government. If the Iranian government seeks the respect of the international community, it must respect the dignity of its own people and govern through consent, not coercion.

Martin Luther King once said - "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice." I believe that. The international community believes that. And right now, we are bearing witness to the Iranian peoples’ belief in that truth, and we will continue to bear witness.

[jman3000]

Looks like this is playing out exactly as I had thought. Apparently they're amassing for a huge night time rally.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Thoughts on barack's statement?
Due to the brutal images, he couldn't stay silent. I just hope its not used against him.

[MannyIsGod]

There's not much to it CBF. I'm just waiting for Darrin to come in and personally take credit for swaying Obama.

It's a typical statement though. We'll see if it shuts the neocons up or if it just emboldens them.

[jman3000]

Thoughts on barack's statement?
Due to the brutal images, he couldn't stay silent. I just hope its not used against him.

I thought it was poignant and fitting.

It will be used against him because people will say he should have said something earlier... bring up their messiah, Reagan,... and question his judgment.

All these things are just for political points which is completely pathetic in a situation like this. He's acting in his capacities as Head of State in this instance and not doing it in a partisan manner. He's getting intelligence briefings around the clock on the happenings and probably has a firmer understanding about it than anyone here or anywhere.

[MannyIsGod]

Really I coudln't care much less about how much flak he gets for the statement or his previous statements. This is not an American situation. We're just spectators.

[jman3000]

There's not much to it CBF. I'm just waiting for Darrin to come in and personally take credit for swaying Obama.

That's all this was about to all these pricks. Credit. They wanted to take the movement from the Iranians and give it to themselves for their own nationalistic reasons. They wanted to say it was us who caused the revolution. That is was us who saved them. That it was we who were their hope.

that. The Iranians get the credit for this one. Every person who has lost their life for this cause gets the credit.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Yeah I just hope it doesn't dramatically alter the course of events within Iran. I suppose at this point, since they already lied about Obama backing the demonstrators, it doesn't matter as much.

[jman3000]

Yeah I just hope it doesn't dramatically alter the course of events within Iran. I suppose at this point, since they already lied about Obama backing the demonstrators, it doesn't matter as much.

It does matter. It's one thing for Obama to say something and the Iranian regime tell the truth and play his statement. It's another to not say anything and have the regime lie and play a fake statement.

It undermines their credibility. It proves them as liars. Every little piece of credibility that is chipped away only lends strength to the possible revolution.

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah I just hope it doesn't dramatically alter the course of events within Iran. I suppose at this point, since they already lied about Obama backing the demonstrators, it doesn't matter as much.

The images from today will change a lot in this situation. The past week was far more civil than today. Today was absolutely horrible. That woman, that video it really embodies the day.

[DarrinS]

I thought it was poignant and fitting.

It will be used against him because people will say he should have said something earlier... bring up their messiah, Reagan,... and question his judgment.

All these things are just for political points which is completely pathetic in a situation like this. He's acting in his capacities as Head of State in this instance and not doing it in a partisan manner. He's getting intelligence briefings around the clock on the happenings and probably has a firmer understanding about it than anyone here or anywhere.

I like what he said. Better late than never. I still don't quite see how Obama saying this earlier would have been detrimental. If Bush was still POTUS, maybe, but I think the younger generation of Iranians know better. How does anyone know that these young people aren't, in part, inspired by Obama? After all, he did make a youtube video aimed directly at them.