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Thanks Bruno. To me he is an interesting prospect for the Spurs. He is a much youger, more athletic, better offensive, better rebounding version of Bonner. He has size and skill and seems like the "Horry" replacement type.
Charlie Villanueva | F
Born: Aug 24, 1984
Height: 6-11 / 2,11
Weight: 232 lbs. / 105,2 kg.
College: Connecticut
Years Pro: 3
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He will be a RFA if Bucks extend a $4.6M QO.
Thanks Bruno. To me he is an interesting prospect for the Spurs. He is a much youger, more athletic, better offensive, better rebounding version of Bonner. He has size and skill and seems like the "Horry" replacement type.
Bruno,
Charlie Villanueva | F
Born: Aug 24, 1984
Height: 6-11 / 2,11
Weight: 232 lbs. / 105,2 kg.
College: Connecticut
Years Pro: 3
info
He will be a RFA if Bucks extend a $4.6M QO.
If you have the time. What would be the limitations/restrictions on a trade for CV before and after they extend the QO. Also, can you do a S&T for a RFA and would that lead to BYC complications. Thanks
Bucks must decided to make a QO before July 1st. Between now and July 1st, they aren't allowed to trade or to a S&T with CV.
After July 1st, Spurs can decide to work a S&T with Bucks about CV. The fact that is restricted or unrestricted doesn't change the BYC mechanic.
For CV, if the starting salary of his new contract is above $4.1M, he will be a BYC. When you do a trade with a BYC, it's more complicated to match salaries.
If you want to learn how it works, you can read questions 73 to 75 of Larry Coon CBA FAQ : http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q73
Thanks for increasing my knowledge of this stuff for about the 89th time.
I think he is a gr8 fit for the Spurs
Me too. He is like what we wish Bonner was. You can live with his limitations on defense because that is a lot of talent for not a lot of money.
He's a good guy, but like Gooden has the rep for coasting along at about 85%. That's not really what I consider "Spurs material". He's had two pretty tough defensive minded coaches in Sam Mitc and Scott Skiles and hasn't put it together in terms of effort.
I like Chuck V......he has a fire in his belly at times. Usually he seems so happy go lucky out there, but once he gets upset or something, the beast comes out.....and he plays like a man possessed.
I wish we would have included Beno in the Rasho trade.....perhaps we could have gotten Chuck V as well as Bonner.
Villanueva has a good chance of being unrestricted :
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/bucks/46136062.html
After they sign their first-round draft choice this summer, the Bucks' player payroll will be around $67 million. No one knows for sure what the luxury-tax threshold (based on a formula relating to the league's basketball-related income) will be when it is announced in early July, but media reports have speculated it will be at about $70 million.
In order to maintain the rights to Villanueva, the Bucks will have to present him with a qualifying offer (determined by a formula based on the player's previous salary and where he was drafted) of $4.5 million. Unless the luxury tax turns out to be higher than anticipated, paying Villanueva that kind of money would take the Bucks into tax territory, which means the Bucks would not make him a qualifying offer. Villanueva would then become an unrestricted free agent and would be able to go to any team with no compensation to the Bucks.
for the MLE he is at least worth a thought. his offensive production is good, in fact his per minute production is fantastic. of course you could also think about signing Frye, who might be even cheaper. for the same money I would take him over Gooden. just because he seems to be smarter. so there is a chance that he one day starts to play decent team defense. his mobility and range make him intriguing for the Spurs, this for sure.
I would go for it.
Charlie V plays with a chip on his shoulder, or least he did this year. We need that with our bigs.
Charlie V>>>> Sheed
I have always been a fan of his, but to me he is unconsitent. He shows flashes of just how good he can be, but then there are times where he just sucks.
Does anyone know if the Spurs have ever shown interest in CV? If he does not receive a QO I would imagine he would become a much more attractive target. Although, if the Spurs could send out someone in a sign and trade it might be better for the Spurs and the Bucks instead of CV just taking a direct offer.
Maybe something such as: Oberto+Bonner for CV if CV makes about 5M. Then, the Bucks get Bonner to replace the roster spot and Oberto is bought out to save money.
The reason why Bucks will maybe let him go is that they are in luxury tax trouble for next year.
Adding Bonner and Oberto salary is the exact opposite of Bucks plan.
If they don't make a QO, CV will simply sign with another team as a FA.
I understand that is why they would let him go, but I was saying would it work in my scenario in a S&T to keep them under the Luxury Tax while keeping the roster spots the same?
They are not over the tax with CV's salary now correct? If they have Bonner+Oberto, then buy out Oberto's partially guaranteed contract, that will be less money on the books than now and they fill the void with a body?
Am I correct, or will the trade for Bonner+Oberto's partially guaranteed contract = more than 4M?
Right now the Bucks have 9 players under contract (not include CV and Sessions) for about 64M. They have to fill the rest of their roster for about 6M to avoid the tax. Until they tender the QO, they have zero obligations to CV or Sessions.
If they traded for Oberto and Bonner, they would assume Bonner's 3.2M and the 1.9M buyout for Oberto and would effectively be paying 5.1M for one year of Matt Bonner. They would then also only have about 1M left for three players and would have to let Sessions go as well. This scenario is lose-lose for the Bucks.
He might not be a bad idea as a backup plan if other things that I would like to see happen don't work out(Gortat). I like him better than Gooden.
Ah, I see, I was forgetting that the buyout still stayed on the books against the cap.
I like him and even at the full MLE he is still a good trade asset if he doesn't fit in the system.
The more I think about it, the more I want CV. I really hope he does not receive the QO from the Bucks. Even though it looks they won't extend him the offer, I have not seen the Bucks make good decisions and you do not see people let talent like his go for nothing very often.
Bruno, would you be happy if the Spurs got CV?
Yes.
I like CV. He is a damn talented player. I think that playing for a winning team with a great mentality will significantly help him. He is also a good fit to play with Tim (he is mobile and has a perimeter game).
You also had to look at the whole picture. Getting CV makes few sense if he doesn't enter in a whole offseason plan. A plan, where Spurs get CV with the MLE, should also have a trade for a defensive minded SF.
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