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He'll never be a Spur... I rather have his rights traded for something that can help now...
(For those that don't venture to the Think Tank...)
Tiago Splitter, Trade Asset
The Draft is almost upon us. There have been several reports that the Spurs are looking to trade into the first round, with one rumor having them interested in Washington’s 5th pick. But, honestly, we heard similar things last year. The cold reality of limited assets and the tough business of locating agreeable trade partners quiets most of the rumor-mongering.
This year’s trade speculation rests against the backdrop of needed change, with almost all those who follow the Spurs calling for or expecting overhaul this offseason. Don Harris recently quoted Spurs color analyst and family member Sean Elliott saying, “…I would fully expect us to have a revamped team next season.” His expectation seems universal.
A few of our readers have asked, given the team’s limited assets, whether Tiago Splitter’s rights could help a trade proposal go through. If Splitter is not tied to the rookie scale, as we’ve previously argued, one would think his rights would hold some value, certainly more than we assumed a year ago.
Tiago Splitter projects as an NBA starter, or at least a quality rotation big. He’s only 24 years old, but has the professional experience of a seasoned vet. And in this topsy-turvy economy, one wonders if his buyout situation is not actually attractive to teams. Put differently, if you’re a team that is not enamored with adding a rookie to your 2009-10 payroll, acquiring the rights to a talented big who requires zero immediate payment (and won’t until at least next summer) is something of a win-win. You avoid the cap hit, but still get to add a valuable player to your pipeline. Looking at the bigs available in this draft, Splitter would probably rank with Jordan Hill and DeJuan Blair, not far behind Hasheem Thabeet. Some might rank him ahead of the other three.
If this is the case, why would the Spurs want to give him up? If he came to the team next season, he’s a lock for a productive 25 mpg.
The simple answer is that he provides an asset the team currently lacks. He’s the young prospect that could put a cap relief package over the top. And again, that’s with the added luxury of staying off the books until at least 2010.
The Spurs recent dalliance with Yiannis Bouroussis is an indicator that shoring up their front line is an immediate priority, one that Tim Duncan cannot afford for them to sit on for another year. I expect the team to target another big with their MLE (Charlie Villanueva?). Then there is the possibility of Ian Mahinmi bouncing back from injury and contributing to the rotation. And most of us expect that if Chris Bosh is available next summer, the Spurs will use their cap space to make a run at him, however unlikely the odds. Add all that up. Where does Tiago Splitter fit into the puzzle?
But that’s on the optimistic view. The pessimist is happy to respond by saying the Spurs could strike out in free agency, Mahinmi could flop, and the team could completely miss their 2010 free agent target. If some combination of those things were to occur, Splitter is a mighty nice insurance policy.
Obviously, he’s the sort of asset one doesn’t just give away. There is no question he benefits the team a year from now. The question, however, is could he benefit the team 4 days from now? And if so, to what degree and how?
So to our readers who’ve asked what value Splitter’s rights hold, my answer is a curiosity struck “dunno.” I’d like to think he could command a pick somewhere between 10 and 20, but I also see the world through shades of silver and black.
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He'll never be a Spur... I rather have his rights traded for something that can help now...
Unless we get a solid return, I don't want to give him up. This has Scola 2.0 written all over it.
that fool!!!! :wgaf: about him. The way he stuck in us. Get anything you can get for that bum. He dont wanna play over here so why hold on to that !?!
If he can come after one more year then Spurs should keep him.
Splitter has almost no trade value. He isn't a trade asset.
Tiago Splitter to Tyler Hansbrough.Wish me luck.
There is no athlete in his position ( I assume you know nothing about it ) who would have taken the Spurs offer over TAU's and even Pop said as much. I wouldn't be in a rush to judge him or label him, we will have the chance to make a proper offer as soon as next summer.
System Failure
Spurs won't be able to make jack offer outside of the first round rookie scale... therefore "proper" is not a possibility... until the new CBA is negotiated we're ed....
Conclusion: Splitter will never come to the NBA until the new CBA is negotiated
Scola redux -- First we are told that his situation makes it impossible for him to come to the NBA. Then he is traded and in a rival NBA jersey before the ink drys. No thanks, not this time.
Is there no chance of him coming over this season?
Assuming the Spurs are successful in trading up into the 1st round, this Splitter situation is precisely WHY the Spurs should again be fearful of the international market. They cannot afford to get burned 2 out of the last 3 drafts. The team needs IMMEDIATE help.
From the CBA :
'…a First Round Pick who does not sign with the Team that holds his draft rights for any portion of the three (3) Seasons following the NBA Draft in which he was selected (and who did not play intercollegiate basketball during such period) may enter into either (a) a Rookie Scale Contract in accordance with Section 1 above, or (b) if the Team has Room in excess of the applicable first-year Rookie Scale Amount, a Contract covering no fewer than three (3) Seasons that provides for Salary plus Unlikely Bonuses in the first Salary Cap Year up to the amount of the Team’s Room and increases or decreases in Salary and Unlikely Bonuses in subsequent Salary Cap Years in accordance with Article VII, Section 5(c)(1).'
Unless Splitter is a stud I trade his rights as long as you get playing value. If he's better than Scola I keep him. If he's not coming this year than how do you work him in to the 2010 plan. We all know that the Spurs need to upgrade this season somehow. Splitter comes in 2010-11 and takes a year to learn the NBA style. By 2011-12 Tim is 35 and Manu 34. Can Spitter be a go-to or just a role player? Trading Scola for nada is probably the worst mistake the Spur's FO has made in a long time. Don't make the same mistake twice.
This is quite a dilemma for the Spurs. They need help NOW and really can't afford to wait another year for Splitter. If I'm the Spurs, there are several factors that would influence whether or not to use Spiltter's rights as trade asset.
1. It has to an offer they cannot refuse. One that blows their doors off.
2. The Spurs are reasonably assured they can sign Ioannis Bourousis immediately
3. The Spurs are reasonably assured they can sign Charlie Villanueva after 7/1.
One other thing, in now way would I trade George Hill. The fact that the Spurs have offered him up back in Feb to the Clippers, really scares me. If an attractive trade offer hinges on the inclusion of either George Hill or Splitter, I would trade Splitter. Trading Hill is clearly taking a step backward. Splitter is an asset, but there are simply no assurances that he'll ever be a Spur. The old adage about the "bird in the hand" comes to mind here.
Also, with the Scola fiasco looming in their minds, it bears repeating that the Spurs absolutely MUST get back value for any package that includes Splitter. A deal for a top-10 pick or a mid-career veteran contributor, would qualify.
Splitter!!
Lets see what happens after the draft.
Call me naive but I get the feeling that the spurs are planning something big...
Cross your fingers spurs fans, the next few days will decide if we'll be able to contend the
next few years.
I love how so many on this board are quick to say this and judge Tiago. The dude was offered SIX times the amount of money to stay with TAU and he had a terminally ill sister in Spain (who has since passed away). This is a no-brainer situation and nobody here wouldn't have done what he did. Who cares if he said he was coming? IMO, he had every intention of being here (he even flew over for a press conference in the summer of '07). At least he never used the Spurs for his own benefit like Corey Maggette or Ioannis Bourousis. But guess what? Everyone has their own individual lives to worry about and things can change very quickly. I guarantee the Spurs understand that and have even more respect for him now. He would be a huge asset to this team and I hope he's wearing our colors come Fall 2010. If he's not, then you can judge him and start talking trade. Until then....
Surprised you didn't get your thread banished to the Spurs Stink Tank.
I have never seen this site so dead leading up to the draft. The info on the players was good in the Think Tank, but placing every draft thread in exile has turned it into the stink tank.
I feel like if we trade Splitter, this will be Scola x 10
When is the soonest he could become a Spur? I'm not too familiar with his Tau contract.
Trade his rights, for a mid-first or packaged for a useful asset now (not stashed). I'm not that impressed with Tiago's game and I no longer give him credit for potential.
He's 24. He doesn't have any potential?
He has a NBA buyout clause for the 2010 summer.
Saying that, European contracts are never set in stone and they can be changed if both sides agree. Splitter can theoretically come to SA as soon as this summer but it's quite unlikely.
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