48MoH: Tiago Splitter, Trade Asset

[Solid D]

He's 24. He doesn't have any potential?

Everyone has potential. I didn't say he doesn't have potential. I said I no longer give him credit for (place value in) potential. It's time to deliver and show big game leadership. He has loads of experience, even at 24.

[Blackjack]

Trade his rights, for a mid-first or packaged for a useful asset now (not stashed). I'm not that impressed with Tiago's game and I no longer give him credit for potential.

If they could get a mid-first for him, I think I'd agree. (*cough* T-Will *cough*)

I'm not sure that Pachulia isn't actually a better player/fit, so if the Spurs could land him?

I'd definitely be willing to part with Splitter's rights.

[ivanfromwestwood]

right about now i would trade him for a 24 pack of budwieser and a 1/8 of dro. seriously.

[timvp]

There's no way Splitter could fetch a first round pick at this point. When he was in the draft, he was telling everyone that he'd only spend one more year in Europe. Even with him saying that, he fell to the end of the first round.

Add much more contract uncertainty, an injury riddled season, a flattening potential curve, three years of age and the fact that he'd likely demand a good chunk of change to bring over (if he wants to hop the pond, that is) ... and you are talking a second round pick at the most. More likely a tiny sweetener in a larger deal.

Mahinmi has a higher trade value and I highly doubt he would be enough to get a first round pick -- even in this historically weak draft.

[timvp]

Splitter has almost no trade value. He isn't a trade asset.

I should have read the thread first . . .

[Blackjack]

There's no way Splitter could fetch a first round pick at this point. When he was in the draft, he was telling everyone that he'd only spend one more year in Europe. Even with him saying that, he fell to the end of the first round.

Add much more contract uncertainty, an injury riddled season, a flattening potential curve, three years of age and the fact that he'd likely demand a good chunk of change to bring over (if he wants to hop the pond, that is) ... and you are talking a second round pick at the most. More likely a tiny sweetener in a larger deal.

Mahinmi has a higher trade value and I highly doubt he would be enough to get a first round pick -- even in this historically weak draft.

I generally agree, that's why I said "if" they could get a mid-first, but there's one thing that might be able to change that, at least for one team.

Luis Scola.

There was a lot of similar, if not the same, prevailing wisdom in regards to Scola's worth when the Spurs were looking to make a deal in past drafts. Maybe Scola's success is something that just one team feels they don't want to make a mistake and pass on?

This draft has been bashed for being "one of the worst of all time", so maybe a guy like Tiago is seen as a better acquisition than anything they could draft. (The fact that he wouldn't come over until next year would probably even be attractive to some teams in this climate.)

I'm not expecting the Spurs to benefit in this draft by the means of Splitter's rights, but there is a glimmer of hope that they could. (a tiny, tiny, glimmer)

It only takes one team.

[timvp]

I generally agree, that's why I said "if" they could get a mid-first, but there's one thing that might be able to change that, at least for one team.

Luis Scola.

There was a lot of similar, if not the same, prevailing wisdom in regards to Scola's worth when the Spurs were looking to make a deal in past drafts. Maybe Scola's success is something that just one team feels they don't want to make a mistake and pass on?

This draft has been bashed for being "one of the worst of all time", so maybe a guy like Tiago is seen as a better acquisition than anything they could draft. (The fact that he wouldn't come over until next year would probably even be attractive to some teams in this climate.)

I'm not expecting the Spurs to benefit in this draft by the means of Splitter's rights, but there is a glimmer of hope that they could. (a tiny, tiny, glimmer)

It only takes one team.

The big difference is that Scola was literally begging to come to the NBA. And he was able to come to the NBA right away when the Spurs traded him.

Splitter hasn't said anything about coming to the NBA. Even if Splitter said he'd come to the NBA, he probably wouldn't have a first round draft pick value. With him being mum on the subject, that lowers the chances to like 0.01%.

A type of trade involving Splitter might be something like Splitter and $2.5M for a first round pick. Even in that scenario, a team would probably just hold out for the full $3M.

I'd like to be optimistic but I can't imagine another team would want to touch his contract situation with a ten foot pole.

[Blackjack]

I'd like to be optimistic but I can't imagine another team would want to touch his contract situation with a ten foot pole.

C'mon, now... It's San Antonio Spurs Draft-Time, baby!

You know the drill.

The infinte trade-scenario's, the improbable draft-jockeying, the over-hyping of players people knew nothing of 2 months ago, the anticipation of said players falling to within reach then being drafted right before the Spurs' slot or passed on in favor of someone people know nothing about, which then leads to the inevitable woulda-coulda-shoulda, followed by disappointment/depression, which inevitably turns to optimism and the realization of the second-coming of a draft-pick that only helps to solidify the Spurs' brilliance.

It's science, really...

[timvp]

Good point.

I'm personally hoping DeJuan Blair's injury concerns cause him to tumble to 37

[SenorSpur]

Good point.

I'm personally hoping DeJuan Blair's injury concerns cause him to tumble to 37

I read somewhere that the Blazers are really hot for Blair.

[Marcus Bryant]

Since the rookie scale will not be a concern in 2010, I'd be content to wait the year for him. If anything, he looks like a serviceable starting big in the NBA.

[timvp]

Since the rookie scale will not be a concern in 2010, I'd be content to wait the year for him. If anything, he looks like a serviceable starting big in the NBA.

Yeah, the most value you can probably get out of Splitter is just sitting on his rights and hoping he'll sign. His trade value is too low to trade him.

[Solid D]

Splitter packaged with other assets is still a viable option with the right team in these economic times.

[Blackjack]

Good point.

I'm personally hoping DeJuan Blair's injury concerns cause him to tumble to 37

The knee concerns could possibly get him to fall out of the lottery but I think we need to float some rumors/"questionable" medical reports concerning a worrisome medulla oblongata, for him to fall to 37...

Seriously, though, is Blair your guy or was he just someone you mentioned because of the health concerns?(i.e. top of the wishlist)

[ivanfromwestwood]

. He'll likely ask for a lot after the rookie scale criteria has expired.

how much do you guys think he'll want?

[Yuixafun]

if he wants to play for Us we shouldn't trade his rights

I mean this guys sister was dying last year so I can understand him not wanting to come over immediately

heartless bas s.

[Blackjack]

Splitter hasn't said anything about coming to the NBA. Even if Splitter said he'd come to the NBA, he probably wouldn't have a first round draft pick value. With him being mum on the subject, that lowers the chances to like 0.01%.

(From the department of wishful thinking, bordering boredom: )

Ya know, that could very well open up another scenario...

I mean, with this economic climate, what if that would be ideal to an owner with an eye on the bottomline. A Sterling-type owner or an owner feeling forced to make a Sterling-like decision.

If a team traded for Splitter (taking them off the hook for a guaranteed contract this year) it wouldn't be that hard to sell to your fans. If next year you're still approaching or in the red, Splitter not coming over would be exactly the type of move the owner would want financially, but it would come with the cushion of allowing your fanbase to believe Splitter's to blame.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

how much do you guys think he'll want?

Something like 3 yrs/$10 mil I suppose. It's a fair offer and I fully expect the Spurs to go this route next summer, or similar. There is no point in trading him right now, as others have said.

[ivanfromwestwood]

yea that sounds fair.

[mystargtr34]

You would hope the Scola situation has taught the FO a valuable lesson. I really dont see them potentially making the same mistake again. Theres other ways to get better and younger, ways that dont include trading away a 24 year old 7 foot potential Starting Center with post skills - when his value is that of a second round draft pick, because of non basketball related factors.

The team has been lacking a real starting calibar Center since David Robinson retired - they now potentially have one in their hands. I cant see him being given away to move up 10 spots in the draft, or for a wing with potential. A starting caliber big is just as crucial to the current Spurs roster as a athletic wing is - why trade it away for practically nothing.

I think hes staying and coming over in 2010.

[kobyz]

i think his trade value is at least 15-20 pick in this year draft probable even more.

[mountainballer]

(From the department of wishful thinking, bordering boredom: )

Ya know, that could very well open up another scenario...

I mean, with this economic climate, what if that would be ideal to an owner with an eye on the bottomline. A Sterling-type owner or an owner feeling forced to make a Sterling-like decision.

If a team traded for Splitter (taking them off the hook for a guaranteed contract this year) it wouldn't be that hard to sell to your fans. If next year you're still approaching or in the red, Splitter not coming over would be exactly the type of move the owner would want financially, but it would come with the cushion of allowing your fanbase to believe Splitter's to blame.

agree. such a move would make some GM look smarter than if they sold a pick just for money. (see Kerr and the Fernandez trade). several teams want to sell their pick, if they get Tiago's rights for a late 1st rounder, they do a smart move. (hopefully the Spurs don't do such a trade).
what if, for example, the Pistons offer #15 or the Bulls offer #16 for the Splitter rights? this would be a tough call IMO.
(if the financially struggling Bucks offer the #10, it should be a no brainer)

[Old School 44]

I don't mind if the Spurs trade Splitter's rights, just PLEASE do it with someone in the EAST, not Houston, Dallas, New Orleans, Phoenix, Lakers...

[timvp]

Good point.

I'm personally hoping DeJuan Blair's injury concerns cause him to tumble to 37

Damn, timvp.

Damn.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]