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Not a single person here doesn't have a problem with many of the things Obama has done. Even the staunchest Obama supporters new they were going to be dissapointed in several way when he was in office. It was inevitable.
I'm more than willing to give Obama credit where credit is due, but I do think there have been numerous missteps.
Not a single person here doesn't have a problem with many of the things Obama has done. Even the staunchest Obama supporters new they were going to be dissapointed in several way when he was in office. It was inevitable.
No . I do enjoy watching the flip-flopping though. "Maybe Obama did some good, but I still hate him for it."
Actually, damn near the whole board flamed you for two straight days before you caved.
Ah, so you weren't a fan of Ronald Reagan huh?Seeing as how we are all Citizens of the World...
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=42644
Thats not even remotely true. I am no liberal, nor conservative, but you approach all your topics and conversations with predetermined biases just like everyone else you claim to be irrational.
Youre just as, if not worse than the people here you seem to despise.
You lack an open mind, you have the world figured out. When someone claims to have a) the answer to everything or B) can regularly identify the wrong approach without equivocation, this speaks to irrationality.
All good stuff WH but how do you respond to the parts of the speech (bolded) which can used to take credit for what's happening in Iran now.Hilarious. This speech is from 2003 or so, isn't it? It's Wilsonian idealism and liberal interventionism at its best.
Really? They grew stronger in the wake of the first war *to make the world safe for democracy*. Was that a coincidence?
Forget self determination. Democracy was *a gift we gave them*
Utopianism. This unicorn ride isn't any more credible than Mr. Obama's.
Except if you vote for Hamas.
Not only did George Bush believe in nation building, he believed it is our duty to remake the whole world in our image.
What's so conservative about that?
Let's make Egypt have free elections, so they can propel the Muslim Brotherhood to power.
Unless, like Saudi Arabia, Indonesia and Egypt, they are allied with us. Then it's ok.
Bold.
We should try that here. Seriously.
Again, we need more of this here.
If repressed ME nations are permitted to vote for the those who would free them from their oppressors, this could be even more true in the future.
Was it reckless for Reagan to allow AQ Khan to develop nukes and to hide it from Congress? Why did we do that?
The prevalence of total, nation killing wars in the 20th and 21st centuries tends to refute this.
A fool's errand, conservatives used to say.
God is on our side.
This is hubris, y'all. Pride ever goeth before a fall...
Very true but on foreign policy they have quite different marketing strategies for why we have to blow up. Neocons on the right go for the patriotic angle, anything that inspires chants of USA! USA! Neocons on the left use compassion to justify it. How many Neda's will it take before the left starts saying we have to do something?
I don't see how any of those emboldened Iranians to take to the streets six years later. Sorry.
Welcome to two days ago. I only despise maybe two people on this board. For one of them, his/her only goal in life seems to be to discredit other posters and he/she doesn't contribute much of anything else to a discussion.
As for my lack of an open mind, I really don't know what you're talking about. I have since changed my opinion about how Obama handled this situation. Not so much for particular comments made by any other posters here, but more so because Obama did take a more critical stance, something I predicted would happen. Also because the supreme leader had already suggested western media were "meddling" in their affairs.
If it makes you feel better to "pile on", good for you.
Good luck with that Michigan economy.
I wasnt a part of "2 days ago", whatever that means. I'll try and keep up on the ST political forum drama next time, I promise.
Blow me.Good luck with that Michigan economy.
ok
Blow me.
Dumper -- has mouth, will travel.
Or is it ChumpDumper? Regardless, he's your tranny.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Everybody has a mouth.
Are you hitting the Chardonnay again? Just kidding.
I'm not a big chardonnay guy, unless it's champagne or white burgundy.
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