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    National Geographic Channel has had a string of really good mini do entaries about the build up to this. They covered everything from pre WWII all the way up to about 5 days ago.

    I had no idea that if it was up to Ahmedinejad back in the 70's the students would have taken the Russian embassy hostage as opposed to the American. He saw Russia as a bigger threat than us. Weird stuff.

    I saw that too. I had no idea.

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    New Yorker: background on the Mousavi/Khamenei rivalry.

    Mir-Hossein Moussavi, the Presidential contender whose legions of supporters have taken to the streets of Iranian cities, has a long and complex history with Khamenei. When Moussavi was Prime Minister, in the nineteen-eighties, he belonged to a faction known as the Islamic Left. It shared power with a rival faction, the Islamic Right, led by Khamenei, who was then the President. When Moussavi and Khamenei clashed, as they often did, the charismatic leader of the Islamic Revolution and the supreme leader of the country, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, intervened—most frequently on Moussavi’s side.


    So, in 1989, when Khomeini died and Khamenei replaced him as supreme leader, the Islamic Left was exiled to political purgatory. Moussavi did not lift his head in Iranian politics for twenty years. But during those years the rest of his Islamic Left faction, including Saeed Hajjarian, made one of the most dramatic turnabouts in Iran’s political history. It abandoned its hard-line commitments in favor of an agenda of liberalization, freedom of expression, the relaxation of Islamic social codes, and friendlier dealings with the world. On the strength of this platform, in 1997, Khatami, who had been Moussavi’s minister of culture, won the Presidency in a landslide. Parliament soon fell to the reformists, too. Although these elected officials were subordinate to Khamenei, Hajjarian believed that they could extend their reach by triangulating between the mass movement they represented and the autocratic state with which they shared power. He coined the phrase that would define the reformists’ strategy: “Pressure from below, negotiation at the top.”




    That strategy failed. The pressure from below was for far-reaching democratic reform, which Khatami could not deliver within the confines of the cons ution. Moreover, the authorities at the top were not interested in negotiating. A hundred independent newspapers and magazines opened, only to be forced to close; the Guardian Council vetoed much of the legislation passed by the parliament; and Khatami could not keep his inner circle out of prison, let alone the young people whose votes had won him the Presidency. By the time he left office, in 2005, the reformists had neither a credible leader nor a cons uency. Activists and public figures called for a boycott of that year’s election. What good was voting if a President with a broad popular mandate could still be controlled and stymied by unelected powers? What difference did it even make who was President?


    A major one, as it turned out. Under Ahmadinejad, a crackdown on dissent forced scores of journalists, intellectuals, and activists to flee the country. Ahmadinejad centralized government, empowered the Basij militia and the Revolutionary Guards, flouted expert economic advice, and packed the ministries with ideological cronies. With few reformists permitted to run in the interim elections of 2006 and 2008, liberals and moderates had little recourse inside the political system. Iran seemed headed for a confrontation between irreconcilables:

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    I wonder how many men in Iran have the name Khomeini or Khamenei and look exactly like them? I'm thinking it's probably pretty damn easy to find a body double.


    Off topic, but the whole Khomeini/Khamenei thing and the subtle difference in pronunciation has been getting on my nerves lately.


    I'm just bitter.

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    I wonder how many men in Iran have the name Khomeini or Khamenei and look exactly like them? I'm thinking it's probably pretty damn easy to find a body double.


    Off topic, but the whole Khomeini/Khamenei thing and the subtle difference in pronunciation has been getting on my nerves lately.


    I'm just bitter.
    I wonder if any of the fellows in GTMO got caught because their name was similar to a suspected terrorist...

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    Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.


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    I wonder if any of the fellows in GTMO got caught because their name was similar to a suspected terrorist...

    Oh, come on now.

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    I wonder how many men in Iran have the name Khomeini or Khamenei and look exactly like them? I'm thinking it's probably pretty damn easy to find a body double.


    Off topic, but the whole Khomeini/Khamenei thing and the subtle difference in pronunciation has been getting on my nerves lately.


    I'm just bitter.
    They all look alike to you huh? Its pretty hard to have a civil discussion with people who say things like this. Yeah, I'm using the racism card. That should get Viva back in here.

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    Winehole He is probably the most articulate and well read poster on this board.

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    It wasn't enough to take their daughter, they had to take their right to mourn her as well

    The relatives and friends piled into minivans for the hourlong trek to Tehran's Behesht Zahra cemetery, where she was buried. Her loved ones were outraged by the authorities' order not to eulogize her, to loudly sing her praises and mourn her loss. But they were too afraid and distraught to speak out, except for Panahi, who said he had nothing more to lose.
    Security forces urged her friends and family not to hold memorial services for her at a mosque and asked them not to speak publicly about her, associates of the family said. Authorities even asked the family to take down the black mourning banners in front of their house, aware of the potent symbol she had become.
    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...975,full.story

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    They all look alike to you huh? Its pretty hard to have a civil discussion with people who say things like this. Yeah, I'm using the racism card. That should get Viva back in here.



    If you're anything, Manny, you're predictable.

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    Reminds me of Robert De Niro's SNL skit. Racists.

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    By civil discussion you meant one devoid of substance I see.

    But then again, what were you saying about predictable?

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    The worst possible course of action would be U.S intervention.

    What people don't realize is that play's completely into the current regime's hands. They will unify their people against the attacker and restore order amongst their people.

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    Yeah, I'm using the racism card. That should get Viva back in here.
    nah, i'm not a democrat, but thanks for thinking of me.

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    Everyone knows Viva is bitter - awesome.
    monkey see. monkey do

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    Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

    "Abortions for all!"

    (booooo!)

    "Very well...no abortions for anyone!"

    (boooo!)

    "Abortions for some...little American flags everyone else!"

    (horaaaaaaaay!)

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    nah, i'm not a democrat, but thanks for thinking of me.
    Though... it DID get you back in here...

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    If Darrin doesn't want to be flamed for posting stupid , he should make that his thread le.

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