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are Laker fans that ing stupid to try to compare an above average guard to a top 10 NBA 7 footer????
are Laker fans that ing stupid to try to compare an above average guard to a top 10 NBA 7 footer????
a) Jefferson is a 3rd option (on a good team) who is VASTLY overpaid for what he actually gives you. Gasol was the franchise player on a team that was less than 2 years removed from the playoffs (in the West even) who was paid accordingly
b) There are no ties between the Spurs and Bucks to believe that the Bucks would be doing the Spurs a favor.
c) Between the economy, the 2010 plans, and most borderline contenders being set at the wing positions - it's not hard to fathom that Jefferson didn't have much of a market. Gasol on the other hand was moved for 10 cents on the dollar weeks before the trading deadline. That in and of itself is why fans can somewhat justifiable call it collusion. There is absolutely no way that Cup-check was going to withdraw that offer, so there was absolutely no reason for the Grizz to make that deal at that time. Forget whether or not it is the best offer at the time, is it the best offer that will come?
Close but come on, Gasol was and is an All Star and in some regards a franchise type player. Jefferson is an All Star caliber player but not close to someone you'd build a team around. Kill this thread. If the trade had been for DWight Howard, Chris Bosh, Carmelo Anthony or even Pau Gasol I'd agree
Keep telling yourself that. The days of Spurs vs. Lakers for the championship are back.
Looks like the team of the decade debates will be in full swing a year from now!
nowhere close to equal but still a great deal for the spurs even though jefferson is greatly overpaid. also jefferson isn't anywhere close to the level of gasol.
The Bucks gave themselves a better chance to sign hairless and Sessions. I am not sure how shedding Gasol's salary allowed the Grizzlies to retain their players back then.
What was even funnier was that the Grizzlies got more out of the Mike Miller trade than what they got out of the Gasol trade. Still makes very little sense to me.
Not many teams in the west at the moment are better than LA.
To me, it's not so much about competing against LA as much as getting better to compete in the West period. Spurs may not be as good as they were 2-3 years ago but they're not exactly a lottery team at this point.
You guys are butthurt that I don't think SA is the second best in the West? Portland(Who I think is the second best) Houston, and Denver, are in my opnion, all better.
I actually agree. The Spurs badly need a rebounder and interior defender. While Jefferson was (is?) a fantastic rebounder for a SF, he is just not a PF/C. Add to that Kurt Thomas is gone, the Spurs would definitely need a strong, low post defender who can be rough and physical, set smart picks and rotate well on both O and D.
Oh, and I am assuming that Bowen will be back, if not, the Spurs would desperately need another perimeter player.
Finally, Duncan wasn't what he was back in 03, or even 07. He needs a lot more help than he used to. His play is still heads and shoulders above almost every other big in the league, but there is no question he isn't what he used to be.
RJ> Ariza... get used to that ...
Lakers got Stern in their back pocket so wtf you complaining about?
Ariza is 23. RJ is like 30 and gets butt ed by Luke.
are Laker fans that ing stupid to try to compare an above average guard to a top 10 NBA 7 footer????
Jefferson is a 20 point a game guy.
I'd say hes better than above average...
we've had it three times in the same span you've had it 1. OH you had it back in the 80's too? Those don't count. I said so.
Get use to seeing us with that .
Time for the Spurs to add another ring to the fingers, another trophy in our case.
29 and uh, whatever floats your boat.
Now that the Bucks are going to release Oberto/Bowen, it's a pretty equal trade.
RJ for Thomas
Gasol is definitely the better player and quality big men are harder to acquire in the NBA, but you're still being quite biased in your assessment.
You left out Marc Gasol when you said "Kwame Brown and two late picks" or Javaris Crittenton who ended up becoming Darrell Arthur for the Grizzlies. And, in puffing up Bruce Bowen as a "guy whose name seems to be permanently engraved in the All NBA defensive 1st team," you failed to mention that he's 37 years old and fell out of favor last year as his play began to steeply decline. That would be like justifying the legitimacy of a trade involving Chris Bosh for Ben Wallace because Ben Wallace's resume as a defender in the league.
There are similarities with the two trades, but the Gasol trade was still way shadier.
KT for Jefferson is an absolute steal. I think Finley opts-in, and they trade him with Bonner for a decent big, and Ian finally comes through for us.
So will you trade Gasol to the Spurs for Jefferson?So the Spurs took note and learned and got themselves something for cap space like LA did.
Do Spurs fans still cry over the Gasol deal? SA actually gave up less for RJ than LA for Gasol.
Just wondering....
The reason the Gasol trade looked shady was that apparently there was little to no effort made by Wallace to explore better options... Based on comments by other GMs, the Grizzlies took the first offer to dump their best player, and the ties between LA and Memphis made the trade more su ious. I don't think it was collusion either; at worst, it was lazy GMing, but until we hear that other teams had better offers for Jefferson this doesn't really compare. 3rd-option-level players for expiring contracts isn't really that unprecedented.
So the Spurs took note and learned and got themselves something for cap space like LA did.
Do Spurs fans still cry over the Gasol deal? SA actually gave up less for RJ than LA for Gasol.
Just wondering....
What a crock!!!
BTW...the La La Land Fakers can kiss any chance of a repeat Good-F*ing-Goodbye!
Because the Spurs repeat all the timeWhat a crock!!!
BTW...the La La Land Fakers can kiss any chance of a repeat Good-F*ing-Goodbye!
I think it is a result of having Michael Heisley owning the team. He reportedly harangued Jerry West to do something -- anything -- one week and West promptly signed Brian Cardinal to a full MLE deal. I can see something similar happening with Wallace.
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