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This season is 09-10 right?The deal surprisingly also makes small-market San Antonio a tax payer, putting the Spurs $4.5 million over the tax line for this season without a real obvious remedy for getting back under.
Really? You think he will make more than 6M per year when he is 31? Considering the vast majority of the league thinks he is valued at that currently?
Many say Hedo is better than him and he makes 7M and many say Hedo won't be worth the 10M he will get per year.
This season is 09-10 right?The deal surprisingly also makes small-market San Antonio a tax payer, putting the Spurs $4.5 million over the tax line for this season without a real obvious remedy for getting back under.
This locks up another Spurs le.
There was also the very real possibility of the salary cap shrinking two years in a row, narrowing the options of players for which the Spurs could actually compete.
Only way Jefferson opts out is if the Spurs win the championship and his value skyrockets. Right now, he's worth about $7-9M per year.
He was wrong. He could end up being right by default if the Spurs use the MLE, but...
" The threesome of Duncan, Ginobili and Duncan "
Exactly, so if the spurs offer him that for 4 years (assuming everyone is healthy and he fits like expected), do you see him opting out?
Turning down that amount of money he is owed for one year is pretty damn unlikely.
Yeah, the only way he'd ever consider that is if he thinks he'd be worth significantly less than $7 million per by age 31.
Mason and Bonner for Camby could be a realistic situation. Then we can resign Oberto for the minimum once he gets released from the Bucs and maybe even Kurt Thomas if he gets bought out. We'd then still have the MLE and the draft to add pieces to our frontcourt or backcourt. I just think this trade makes Mason expendable especially if Finley opts to resign and Bowen comes back and with Hill bidding for more playing time next year at the 2 and 1. Even if Finley doesn't opt to come back we can use part of our MLE to go after Dante Jones or Rodney Carney.
Is he greek ?
That trade does not work salary wise. It would have to be Mason/Fin/Bonner or something like that.
To avoid having 145 threads on the trade, I thought it would be a good idea to post other Jefferson related articles in this thread.
48 Minutes of on Richard Jefferson
Timothy Varner of 48 Minutes of watches the Spurs like hawks watch field mice (as in, not casually, and with very good eyes). He weighs in on the news the Spurs have agreed in principle to acquire Richard Jefferson from the Bucks for Bruce Bowen, Fabricio Oberto and Kurt Thomas:
Old flames die hard. In February several news outlets reported that the Spurs were in talks with the Nets and Bucks to trade for either Richard Jefferson or Vince Carter. Apparently, those talks never died.
Chad Ford is reporting that the Spurs and Bucks have agreed to a deal that would send Fabricio Oberto, Kurt Thomas and Bruce Bowen to Milwaukee for Richard Jefferson. This is a no brainer for the Spurs, and it puts them right back in the championship hunt. Richard Jefferson is a monster upgrade.
Jefferson's skill set couldn't be a better match for San Antonio. He can score going to the hoop, is a capable defender, and shoots nearly .400 from the arc. His 19 ppg give San Antonio the 4th scorer they've needed for several seasons. Jefferson averaged a mere 2 TO per game last season as Milwaukee's best player. It's hard to imagine a better trade scenario. The Spurs just struck oil.
Relative to his salary, Richard Jefferson may under produce. His career PER is 16.7. That's a little low for a player owed 14 and 15 million the next two seasons. But he's only 29. And his production is vastly superior to anything the Spurs have had on the wing since Sean Elliott.
My best guess is that the Bucks will buy out Bruce Bowen and we'll see him return to San Antonio prior to training camp. If that happens, this trade goes from a homerun to a grand slam. The only downside is that the move leaves the Spurs thin upfront, but one suspects they have a back up plan in the works to replace Kurt Thomas. Oberto's best play is two seasons behind him, and the Spurs actually win by freeing up his roster spot. By adding Jefferson, the Spurs have converted Roger Mason Jr. into a potent 5th option or valuable trade chip. The ripple effects go from the center to shore, and I'm hard pressed to find a single negative in this move.
Aside from landing Jefferson, the other story here is that the Spurs have moved away from their 2010 cap strategy. Jefferson's salary eats up everything they had on reserve for a big name free agent run. But Jefferson is probably as good as any player they were likely to land next summer, so in that sense they've simply accelerated their rebuild with a player that can help them within Tim Duncan's window. They're not waiting on 2010 by sitting out 2009. This also means there is no reason for the team to play cautious with their checkbook. With their 2010 plan on the scrapheap, the team could theoretically make another trade for a player whose salary would push them against the taxline.
As I write this, my head keeps going back to something that might be missed in all this. San Antonio is good to its fans. Here is a team that is committed to winning. After being bounced in the first round, they could have faded from view just as everyone expected them to. But instead, they got off the mat and started swinging. They're a small market team with a relatively poor ownership group in a bad economy. And they just added a big contract to their books when half the league is trying to shed cap. Take note
Acquiring Richard Jefferson: Hardly a No-Brainer
June 23, 2009 3:56 PM
Assuming this Richard Jefferson for Bruce Bowen, Fabricio Oberto and Kurt Thomas trade becomes official, the Spurs will, no doubt, be declared the big winners not only of this trade, but possibly of the whole week (which includes the draft) and the off-season.
The Bucks are seen as having done well simply by getting rid of Jefferson's inflated contract. Yet there is a lot to recommend the move by the Spurs. As John Hollinger points out, Jefferson has the ability to make the corner 3, which tends to be available in the Spurs' offense. He alleviates the scoring pressure from the Spurs' big three. He can also supply some of the slashing that comes from an injury-prone Manu Ginobili.
But it's hardly a slam dunk.
Remember when Richard Jefferson was an intimidating athlete at both ends of the floor? He's not even 30, but those days are already past.
(Al Bello, Getty Images Sport)There are three boilerplate concerns:
Here's where the move seems to be slightly higher risk still: This robs the Spurs of cap space in 2010. So the analysis of this deal is not about what they gave up in the trade -- Bowen, Thomas and Oberto are worth Jefferson, for sure. But for this deal, in the summer of 2010, the Spurs would have been Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and oodles of cap space. Who would that have become? Somebody! Potentially somebody really special. And that's the player the Spurs silently included in this deal today.
- Richard Jefferson has a reputation as a guy who speaks his mind, and in so doing causes friction with teammates and coaches. Perhaps the Spurs have an advantage here, with strong team leadership from Tim Duncan and Gregg Popovich, but they have gone to great lengths to avoid such players in the past.
- Jefferson will be 29 next season, which would seem to make him a player in his prime. Yet Jefferson appears to already be several years into decline. His true shooting percentage and PER were at their peaks in 2005-2006, while his percentages of rebounds, assists, steals and blocks were at their best a year before that. I know, I know, he played with Jason Kidd, who helps to inflate teammates statistics. But the fact remains that he is, now, essentially an average NBA player.
- The Bucks were slightly better, last year, when Jefferson was on the bench.
I understand why they did that. They have a few years left of Tim Duncan's career, and it's going to take a lot of improvement to win the West -- the Lakers are far better at this point, and new threats like the Nuggets, Blazers and Thunder are entering the scene. So there's a mandate to win now, and inspired by that, they have gambled in a way they might not have in the past.
It may well work out beautifully. But this is not a steal, nor is it a no-brainer. It's one of the highest-risk moves the Spurs have made in the Tim Duncan era.
When the Cards beat the D Backs, you made a "You're welcome"thread referring to the Dodgers. Are you Albert Pujols?
Without a doubt. SAS will crush all compe ion in the West. Lakers will not be such a problem now.
When is the date when the salaries of the 09'-10' year are counted for trades. Whenever that is Mason and Bonner would work for Camby.
This does not even come close to locking a le. Spurs need another piece without question. This move does not do anything to make other teams nervous. If it leads to another move, then yes.
But as of now, it means nothing.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves just yet. Yes, this is a badass trade, but we still gotta find a couple bigs and play the game.
The new cap-year kicks in July 1st.
Richard Jefferson speaking his mind:
"I like men."
Yes, if the Lakers lose Ariza or Odom this move is magnified assuming health. But as of now, it really does nothing to propel us into contention without another move.
On the contrary. The Jefferson move is very far from being inconsequential as you say. Adding a legit 20 ppg man to the big three mix will give Popovich a wider assortment of player combinations to throw at opponents next season. And at the very least other Western powers will have to take notice of this substantial improvement by the SAS. Yes, SAS should acquire a big for the mle, but how much of an impact will that player really have?
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