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    They missed a scoop here, that's for sure.

    Didn't Fox News bury the tip on Ensign, too?

    I don't know. All I'm saying is that if you looked at my inbox, you'd think I'm some kind of perverted freak. I get all kinds of crap email. I need a better spam filter.

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    "more people in this country consider themselves conservative than liberal"

    link?

    then there's progressive, independents, etc.

    "conservative" self-flagellators are a decreasing minority.

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    "more people in this country consider themselves conservative than liberal"

    link?

    then there's progressive, independents, etc.

    "conservative" self-flagellators are a decreasing minority.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/120857/Co...cal-Group.aspx

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    Yeah that guy I think. He wasn't steadily bashing Obama which I found sorta surprising.
    Frum will NEVER get the conservative vote. He's not far-right enough.

    Edit: Oh, and he's Canadian as DarrinS mentioned.
    Last edited by LnGrrrR; 06-25-2009 at 10:35 AM.

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    I don't know. All I'm saying is that if you looked at my inbox, you'd think I'm some kind of perverted freak. I get all kinds of crap email. I need a better spam filter.
    Well, you're not a news organization. Due diligence for one of those includes reading the mail. Anonymous tips lead to stories all the time.

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    meh... I'd attribute that to the negative connotation that the word "liberal" has attached to it. If they had polled me I'd have said I was an independent or a conservative.

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    self-stained conservatives are still an electoral minority.

    Wasn't it Gallup that guranteed a McLiar win?

    Silver got Magik Negro winner months before the election. Silver on red-state decline.

    http://www.esquire.com/features/data...-0709?src=digg

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    Frum will NEVER get the conservative vote. He's not far-right enough.


    Thats a shame because he seemed pretty likable. I know that doesn't mean nothing though.

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    Key words being "consider themselves". Hey, look at all those conservative Americans supporting a public health care system.

    All this proves is that conservatives have done a great job demonizing the word "liberal" over the past 2 decades.

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    Key words being "consider themselves". Hey, look at all those conservative Americans supporting a public health care system.

    Where are these so-called conservatives that support a public health system?

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    LOL, I was just reading an Argentina newspaper that they now know the full name of the broad, and that a lot of foreign media have started to camp outside her apartment on an otherwise calm neighborhood, trying to get a picture of her.
    I guess you can put an extra spin on this if the broad is good/not-so-good looking...

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    Where are these so-called conservatives that support a public health system?
    Check the CBS/NYT poll. It showed >70% in favor of a public plan.

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    She at least better have a nice rack. If not then you can chalk up another lie told by Sanford.

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    Check the CBS/NYT poll. It showed >70% in favor of a public plan.
    I think people want a limited plan which doesn't cost over a mental threshold number... that number is probably below 800B... which also excludes coverage for illegal immigrants.

    I don't think they should be denied medical attention, but I do think that immigration laws should be enforced and they should be deported or given an ultimatum to seek legal citizen status within 6 months or be deported.

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    Check the CBS/NYT poll. It showed >70% in favor of a public plan.

    You should closely examine this poll. It's a real piece of work.

    http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...h/original.pdf


    From page 7.

    Did you vote in the 2008 presidential election, did something prevent you from voting, or did you choose not to vote? IF VOTED, ASK: Did you vote for Barack Obama, John McCain, or someone else?


    Obama - 48
    McCain - 25
    Someone else - 1
    Voted, won't say whom - 5
    Didn't vote - 19
    DK/NA - 1

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    Hey, you did your homework!

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    She at least better have a nice rack. If not then you can chalk up another lie told by Sanford.
    I'm just hoping that she is not a he. Or a he/she...

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    I'm just hoping that she is not a he. Or a he/she...
    Not uncommon in south america...

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    LOL, I was just reading an Argentina newspaper that they now know the full name of the broad, and that a lot of foreign media have started to camp outside her apartment on an otherwise calm neighborhood, trying to get a picture of her.
    I guess you can put an extra spin on this if the broad is good/not-so-good looking...
    let's see, she is argentine, married to millionare, lives in the most expensive neighborhood. If she is under 45 I am sure she is pretty hot

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    Not uncommon in south america...
    or north america...

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    I don't think they should be denied medical attention, but I do think that immigration laws should be enforced and they should be deported or given an ultimatum to seek legal citizen status within 6 months or be deported.
    You do know that not everyone that wants to be a citizen can do so? Unless you're a skilled worker, or married to an American, or have had a kid, you have to wait for a type of lottery, and hope you're chosen. Then, once that's done, you have to pony up the money for the forms, which is about $1500 IIRC.

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    You do know that not everyone that wants to be a citizen can do so? Unless you're a skilled worker, or married to an American, or have had a kid, you have to wait for a type of lottery, and hope you're chosen. Then, once that's done, you have to pony up the money for the forms, which is about $1500 IIRC.
    Doesn't matter. The system may be broken, but you should still have to obey the law of the land you live in, even if that law says gtfo.

    Now, I agree that we should make immigration easier, because in the end, we could use hardworking individuals, and an infusion of that would be great. However, as long as the law is in place, we are bound by it, and those that are breaking the law shouldn't be able to have the same benefits of those who are working within the system.

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    Doesn't matter. The system may be broken, but you should still have to obey the law of the land you live in, even if that law says gtfo.

    Now, I agree that we should make immigration easier, because in the end, we could use hardworking individuals, and an infusion of that would be great. However, as long as the law is in place, we are bound by it, and those that are breaking the law shouldn't be able to have the same benefits of those who are working within the system.
    I was responding to the 6 month timeline Jman suggested. That's just not feasible unless there's some comprehensive path-to-citizenship plan that gets passed.

    The reason why I highly doubt immigration will be made easier is because that makes the borders more porous, and when some legal immigrant does something wrong, it will make the hardcore righties say, "Look, we lowered the standards and now we're letting in evil terrorists/killers/etc!"

    I agree with your point about being bound by the law, but also I think it's important to recognize that some people that are here illegally have come over with their parents when they were young, and this is the only life they know. Also, Mexico is mostly a sh*thole, and I doubt most Mexicans want to be forced back there to work for 1/10th of the wage, while knowing their government is led by either corrupt politicians or straight out drug dealers.

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    I was responding to the 6 month timeline Jman suggested. That's just not feasible unless there's some comprehensive path-to-citizenship plan that gets passed.

    The reason why I highly doubt immigration will be made easier is because that makes the borders more porous, and when some legal immigrant does something wrong, it will make the hardcore righties say, "Look, we lowered the standards and now we're letting in evil terrorists/killers/etc!"

    I agree with your point about being bound by the law, but also I think it's important to recognize that some people that are here illegally have come over with their parents when they were young, and this is the only life they know. Also, Mexico is mostly a sh*thole, and I doubt most Mexicans want to be forced back there to work for 1/10th of the wage, while knowing their government is led by either corrupt politicians or straight out drug dealers.
    That was just a number I threw out. I don't think that a universal amnesty approach is right... but I do think that it should be made easier for those who are already here to be US citizens.

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    You do know that not everyone that wants to be a citizen can do so? Unless you're a skilled worker, or married to an American, or have had a kid, you have to wait for a type of lottery, and hope you're chosen. Then, once that's done, you have to pony up the money for the forms, which is about $1500 IIRC.
    Just received my new green card today, good for 10 years. When you add up forms, fingerprinting, copies of stuff, etc, you're a little over $600. But that's if you do it yourself, without help from a lawyer and you already had a green card approved before.
    It was more money when I had a H1B and had to renew it.
    And for non-married people that apply (through skilled worker programs) you almost always need help from a lawyer, and that will raise the cost considerably.

    Having gone through the entire process (started 10 years ago), I can safely say the 6 month expectation is impossible under the current system.

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