Shaq is a Cavalier

[ElNono]

Based upon history, Shaq has had much success with players like James, (Penny, Kobe, Wade.)

Yeah, but you forget he also had coaches that knew how to motivate him, namely Phil Jackson and Pat Riley (through a ridiculous $100 million contract).
Cleveland doesn't have that at all.

[Spur-Addict]

If they lose next year without Shaq, this is still a possibility. With their team constructed as of last year, they couldn't get out of the Eastern Conference. Try again.

Until he re-signs, there will always be a risk that LeBron leaves Cleveland. You can mitigate that risk as best you can, but it's going to be there until he signs on the line which is dotted.

[Allanon]

KG made it out of the first round once in 12 seasons. Was it a risk for the Celtics to trade for him, especially giving up a 20/10 young talent like Al Jefferson? Would you focus on the risks of the Celtics acquiring KG? Or how about Gasol never winning a playoff game in 6 seasons. Was that a risk?

Neither KG nor Gasol had a history of being a team cancer. Shaq's 4 for 4 in sending a team to the lotto.

Cavs have put all their hopes into LeBron and a 37 year old team killer who is getting paid $20 million.

[ElNono]

considering they would only have money for 2 stars I can't imagine it would be better than what the Cavs have. Cavs can offer 1 max deal, Knicks can offer 2. You fail again

If you tell the Knicks they have a fair shot at landing Bron, they'll be more than willing to go way over the salary cap. Don't underestimate a big market needing a rebound.

[TheMACHINE]

Depends on what you're looking for. It's hard to find a serious post presence, while only giving up Ben Wallace and Sasha P. for him. Not to mention Shaq is coming off a really good year.

Are you saying this is the only move the Cavs will make this off season? Where did you get this info from?

yah...trading your biggest "trade" assets makes it even more likely that more valuble trades or on the works.

[TheMACHINE]

You want a compromise? Fine. There are negatives to adding Shaq that you can call "risks" in terms of possible bad chemistry and Shaq's personality killing a team. Those are low risks because of what the Cavs had to do to make the trade happen. They didn't give up anything of value to get Shaq. And, if it doesn't work out and those negatives things do happen, Shaq's deal is expiring. Change "no risk" to "very low risk." Now, if you still don't agree with that, there's no arguing with you.

Fine...we'll stop arguing...so im safe to say, in your point of view, Shaq is the only guy Cavs can get. IN that case, i guess its worth risking implosion and Lebron leaving since there is no other guy in the NBA that meets the Cavs needs.

[Allanon]

Until he re-signs, there will always be a risk that LeBron leaves Cleveland. You can mitigate that risk as best you can, but it's going to be there until he signs on the line which is dotted.

I don't know if you posted earlier in this thread, I came late. I have a question for you and any other Cavs fan.

Are you happy with this trade, JoeTait?

[Thunder Dan]

If you tell the Knicks they have a fair shot at landing Bron, they'll be more than willing to go way over the salary cap. Don't underestimate a big market needing a rebound.

you are not allowed to sign players over the cap. Thats the whole point in the cap. You can acquire players via trade, but you can't sign them. You can go over the cap to sign a player you already have like the Cavs can with Lebron, but you can't go over the cap to sign a player you don't have. He would need to be traded to your team in order to take on a contract that takes you over the cap.

[Cry Havoc]

Wow, this thread is proof enough why Lakers fans are insanely ego-centric and have no ability to actually have rational discourse on an issue.

"ZOMG RISK RISK RISK!"

>> What risk?

"ZOMG RISK RISK RISK!"



You guys are all giving yourselves bad names by completely ignoring the points other posters are making. It's absolute insanity, and the number of Lakers fans involved in this debate is comical. Jamstone has completely destroyed this thread. I can't even fathom how Lakers fans can expect to be taken seriously with threads like this.

[JoeTait75]

Are you happy with this trade, JoeTait?

I'm in 100 percent wait-and-see mode, Allanon. As a Cleveland fan, I know not to bust a nut about anything until the results are in. They still need to make some more moves.

[stretch]

Neither KG nor Gasol had a history of being a team cancer. Shaq's 4 for 4 in sending a team to the lotto.

Cavs have put all their hopes into LeBron and a 37 year old team killer who is getting paid $20 million.

LMAO what a crock of

he got 3 of the 4 teams he was on to the finals

other than Phoenix, who was doomed already for playing in such a good conference, they all went to the lotto AFTER he left

do us all a favor and burn and die

[ginobili's bald spot]

You guys are all giving yourselves bad names by completely ignoring the points other posters are making. It's absolute insanity, and the number of Lakers fans involved in this debate is comical. Jamstone has completely destroyed this thread. I can't even fathom how Lakers fans can expect to be taken seriously with threads like this.

Not all Laker fans.

[Allanon]

I'm in 100 percent wait-and-see mode, Allanon. As a Cleveland fan, I know not to bust a nut about anything until the results are in. They still need to make some more moves.

I think your opinions are pretty fair.

If I'm reading it right, that's not really a vote of confidence; almost blase.

[Spur-Addict]

yah...trading your biggest "trade" assets makes it even more likely that more valuble trades or on the works.

Good job on answering the question. You are backing off from your absolute claim.

And what does more valuable have to do with this? A trade is a trade, period. You are saying that all eggs are in one basket. Another trade despite it not being huge is another move, with additional eggs.

And, something big can still happen despite contracts etc.

[JoeTait75]

If I'm reading it right, that's not really a vote of confidence; almost blase.

I'm agnostic on it, let's just put it that way. After the way the season ended for the Cavaliers, it's a little too early to get excited over anything they do just yet.

[Allanon]

LMAO what a crock of

he got 3 of the 4 teams he was on to the finals

other than Phoenix, who was doomed already for playing in such a good conference, they all went to the lotto AFTER he left

do us all a favor and burn and die

Hahah, what a dumb . Last time he was in the Finals was 3 years ago when he was 34 years old and raped your Beloved Mavs.

Wake the up, Shaq's 37 and sent the Suns to the lotto.

Do us all a favor and kill yourself.

[TheMACHINE]

Do us all a favor and kill yourself.

He's a Mavs fans...if he hasnt killed himself yet, he never will. He lives everyday in Fail.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

with a 2 time mvp and all stars by his side.

Listen here you stupid bandwagon Laker fan gook that knows nothing about basketball, Shaq wasn't the reason the Suns were in the lottery. Don't tell me he was, I watched almost every game this year and follow it extremely closely.

[Thunder Dan]

Hahah, what a dumb . Last time he was in the Finals was 3 years ago when he was 34 years old and raped your Beloved Mavs.

Wake the up, Shaq's 37 and sent the Suns to the lotto.

Do us all a favor and kill yourself.

So the Suns firing 2 coaches in midst of an iden y crisis and 2 of their best players missing significant time had nothing to do with the Suns being in the lottery? It was all Shaq?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Do us all a favor and kill yourself.

You do the same.

[JamStone]

Fine...we'll stop arguing...so im safe to say, in your point of view, Shaq is the only guy Cavs can get. IN that case, i guess its worth risking implosion and Lebron leaving since there is no other guy in the NBA that meets the Cavs needs.

Talks on this trade started in February. Needless to say, it would seem pretty obvious that the Cavs explored and even exhausted alternative trade proposals to make a deal better than this one. So, yes, because it took over four months for the Cavs to actually sign onto this deal, I do believe this was the best deal they felt they could make.

Apparently, there are no other Cavalier "friendlies" on other NBA teams willing to give the Cavs Chris Bosh or Chris Paul type players for expiring contracts and a second round draft pick. Go figure.

[Thunder Dan]

Listen here you stupid bandwagon Laker fan gook that knows nothing about basketball, Shaq wasn't the reason the Suns were in the lottery. Don't tell me he was, I watched almost every game this year and follow it extremely closely.

Laker fans talk about how Nash sucks and is a fraud MVP one month, the next they speak of him in the highest regards referring to him as MVP

[TheMACHINE]

Listen here you stupid bandwagon Laker fan gook that knows nothing about basketball, Shaq wasn't the reason the Suns were in the lottery. Don't tell me he was, I watched almost every game this year and follow it extremely closely.

right...Once Shaq got to the Suns, the Suns stayed on top and won the championship!

[stretch]

Hahah, what a dumb . Last time he was in the Finals was 3 years ago when he was 34 years old and raped your Beloved Mavs.

Wake the up, Shaq's 37 and sent the Suns to the lotto.

Do us all a favor and kill yourself.

shaq sent the suns to the lotto? rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

im most certainly sure it didnt have anything to do with the fact that they played in a very stong conference, had a horrible coach, were poorly built and aging, and their system made no sense. oh no, it was SHAQ who made all those things happen

and i hate shaq

[Allanon]

So the Suns firing 2 coaches in midst of an iden y crisis and 2 of their best players missing significant time had nothing to do with the Suns being in the lottery? It was all Shaq?

None of it was on Shaq, all of it was on team chemistry.

Phoenix had terrible team chemistry. As did the 2007 Heat, 2004 Lakers and the Shaq Magic.